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Wagner 09-21-2006 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric5273
Actually, that is not true. In many European countries, including Denmark, you can go to prison for saying that the holocaust did not happen.

Here are a couple of examples:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1331724.shtml

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n2p58_Swiss.html


While I obviously believe that these people are misguided and what they say is total BS, I do not think they should go to prison.
Correct IMO, you shouldn't be imprisoned from simply saying "ah that didn't happen". And in speaking to that, did you happen to catch the President of Iran on Anderson Cooper last night? A point he made, that....oh Lord...I agreed with, was that the Holocaust didn't happen in Palestine so why was a state created in their land for Jewish people killed in another land.


Also, when discussing the Holocaust people should remember that in Russia during the same time period nearly 5 times as many people were murdered......

Eric5273 09-21-2006 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by WagnerX5
Also, when discussing the Holocaust people should remember that in Russia during the same time period nearly 5 times as many people were murdered......
Not 5 times, but close. World War II took the lives of 60 million people, and 20 million of them were Russian. It's no wonder that at the end of the war the German war criminals did whatever they could to make sure they were captured by the Americans and not the Russians.

Imagine a war in which one out of 6 Americans was killed. It's hard to imagine.

BMW X5 09-21-2006 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by WagnerX5
Correct IMO, you shouldn't be imprisoned from simply saying "ah that didn't happen". And in speaking to that, did you happen to catch the President of Iran on Anderson Cooper last night? A point he made, that....oh Lord...I agreed with, was that the Holocaust didn't happen in Palestine so why was a state created in their land for Jewish people killed in another land.


Also, when discussing the Holocaust people should remember that in Russia during the same time period nearly 5 times as many people were murdered......
but where does he suggest they go? the reason for Israel was to create a place where Jews can live peacefully and not be discriminated against. where is there a place that would give up land? The US sure as hell isnt not because of everyone but because of a few FUPS who go spraying swastikas around. Germany sure as hell isnt, Russia is like the epitomy of hatred for Jews (i should know i grew up there) Asian countries i think we might um differ if you will. it has nothing to do with palestine it has to do with the fact that its holy land for them as well going back to the beginning. BTW props on the previous post

Wagner 09-21-2006 12:37 PM
And large Jewish populations are accepted in Israel? Sure doesn't seem like it. IMO, Israel was established because of a 'guilt' feeling held by the USA and Britain for not doing more in the 30's to prevent such action. I also don't believe he was trying to explain "where" they should go as much as answering the question of "why" are the surrounding areas so hostile.

BMW X5 09-21-2006 12:41 PM
I absolutely agree that yes it was due to guilt held by the US and Britain. Why they chose that area I couldnt answer, maybe it was easiest established or easier to oust the previous owners. However as for the hostilities i think we dont need to go into that since we didnt take anyone's land here in the US and yet they come here to blow us up. I agree that yes it was dictated that its their land but i think before asking why he should have suggested a where.

Wagner 09-21-2006 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BMW X5
I absolutely agree that yes it was due to guilt held by the US and Britain. Why they chose that area I couldnt answer, maybe it was easiest established or easier to oust the previous owners. However as for the hostilities i think we dont need to go into that since we didnt take anyone's land here in the US and yet they come here to blow us up. I agree that yes it was dictated that its their land but i think before asking why he should have suggested a where.
Well Europeans stole the whole country from Native Americans. Eddie Izzard (comedian) said it best "what you don't have a flag or formal form of ownership, we'll note that." Nomadic peoples will always get screwed by 'civilized' ones.

BMW X5 09-21-2006 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by WagnerX5
Well Europeans stole the whole country from Native Americans. Eddie Izzard (comedian) said it best "what you don't have a flag or formal form of ownership, we'll note that." Nomadic peoples will always get screwed by 'civilized' ones.
lol that was a good one but yes I agree, but we cant undo what was done this is a civilized world or so one hopes so yes they did it but why cant the 2 just keep to themselves and keep it civil? one is going around blowing shit up and complaining how the other is using military strikes to retaliate. its a roundabout robin he started it no he started it in the end no one is happy

Wagner 09-21-2006 12:51 PM
That's a given. The two sides will NEVER agree. People have to stop saying "well if we debate and discuss enough..." it isn't going to happen. The world needs to accept that and then make a decision.

BMW X5 09-21-2006 12:59 PM
regardless of that i think alibabab muhamed over there from iran is a piece of sh*t just like mr venezuela who called Bush a devil. but thats not this conversation piece.

xxx 09-21-2006 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Izzy
Back to the main post and what you guys were saying was some pretty F-ed-Up shit.. You cant judge all muslims to what some radicals are doing in the middle east. Im a white Sunni muslim and i dont appreciate how you guys speak about Islam. If you ignorate people actually went outside of your box and what you call life and spoke to a muslim and see that there not like what you people think they are. You people probably dont even know what Islam is. So when you learn about the religion and have enough info about it to actually speak wisely about it you really should keep your comments to yourself. and fyi the pope has come out and said sorry for his comments
I know who you are and your type of Islam and what your capable of. I believe your terrorist organization is the KLA

I'm also just waiting to see what the devils (Bush) thinks he's going to do with Kosovo. And it seems its not going to be a satisfactory for all sides.....that way I can go to work again.


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