I am surprised to see no thread on the amish shooting
 

Can I just say how shocked I am about this story it's dreadful just dreadful.

Ok yes I do come from Dunblane yes my Mum was there on the day Mr Hamilton decided to pay a visit.

So this is very close to home for me I can never get my head round what makes people do this. Shocking.:mad: :mad: :mad:

I haven't really been paying attention to the news lately. I saw bits and pieces this morning. There are no words to describe these situations. What makes these nut jobs tick? I heard it was some kind of grudge against the Amish? Three school shootings in as many weeks. Is nothing sacred?

IMO society could learn a lot from the Amish. I watched a girl who had two of her cousins killed come out and say she forgives the killer and that the girls time was simply up. There was no anger, no screaming..no crying. Just understanding that life (so to speak) happens. One other cousin said he had no problem, nor would anyone else, with the wife of the killer coming to the funerals or staying in the town.

I wish the media would get off their backs and stop filming these families like Hyenas waiting for someone to fall apart.

Does this sick POS really need to be discussed?

It speaks for itself. Nuff said.

I'm not sure there is much to say.

The media is devoting quite a bit of time trying to develop some rationale for it. It reminds me of "I Don't Like Mondays" by the Boomtown Rats:

"You can find no reasons, 'cause there are no reasons"

We are all appalled. Not much more to say than that.

ps - it's neat when you post - it's like a voice from the future. Ponderous, man.

:withstupi Very well stated. The media well be the demise of this country.

Fiona,
Nearly incomprehensible and impossible to "disucss",imo...

senseless murder of innocent kids.

Well, and it had nothing to do with war, politics, the middle east, muslims, the evil christians and their pope, our evil devil President Bush, oil... am i forgetting anything???

Seriously though, just disgusting and words can't add anything to what happened. And the media should just leave the Amish alone like Wagner said.

For those who missed it, that was sarcasm in the first paragraph :)

How come none of these killers ever walk in on a card game with a bunch of drug dealers sitting at the table and start blasting them? It's always some school or some post office or...wait a sec...I can see why you might shoot up a post office after all.

How come no one ever shoots up the DMV ?

One other thing that is interesting. I keep telling my kids that they live in the information age, where they have access to stuff that would have taken weeks, if ever to reach us when I was a kid.

This thread proves that. It is just astonishing that news moves that fast now.

Jaded...Desensitized
 

Scottie,

The sad truth is that the media has done an excellent job at desensitizing the American public and many have become jaded.

Chris

Evil devil President Bush
 

Please elaborate.

And, in doing so, please disband the following left-wing tactics and/or observe these rules of objectivity in the interest of having a fair and logical discussion:

• Do not resort to rhetoric
• Do not resort to hyperbole
• Do not quote Michael Moore, Jimmy Carter, John Kerry, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi (et al) or Zbigniew Brzezinski as sources
• Use facts
• Be rationale
• Do not give me links to websites as if the website itself is a valid and an objective source.
• Do not quote books you haven't read
• Do not quote anyone out of context as a source
• Do not flip flop
• Reference Vietnam only if you know what the hell you are talking about
• Address why oil prices are higher since our escalated activities in the gulf were (allegedly) for the sole-purpose of securing cheap oil
• Try not to impose socialistic rhetoric
• Leave capitalistic-rhetoric ("...the oil companies are making too much money...") out of it.

Now...Please...Do explain.

Chris

Well, this is going to be SUPER easy to explain simply by quoting my original post... which you must not have fully read. I bolded it this time so you can see it :)

He was paraphrasing Venezuelan Presidente Chavez in his first post.

Nobody ever made the claim that the sole-purpose of the war was to "scure cheap oil". The claim was made that the "war was fought for oil", but this had nothing to do with securing cheap oil for the American public.

Those who claim that the war was fought for oil are claiming that the oil companies wanted to take control of the oil resources of Iraq and so they used their enormous influence in our government to push the policy of war.

Only a fool would think this would result in lower oil prices for the American public. In fact, only a fool would think that this would result in any more of Iraq's oil being imported to the United States. Regardless of whether or not Iraq's oil is controlled by the large oil corporations, it will continue to flow mostly to Europe and Asia. But instead of the profits going to the Iraqi government as they do with the oil industry being nationalized, the profits would go to the large oil corporations.

But anyway, regardless of whether or not the war policy was pushed by the oil companies, it has resulted in total chaos for the oil industry and most of the oil companies have since pulled out of Iraq completely. And in addition, most of those in the Iraqi government have refused to even discuss privatizing the oil industry, and so it still remains nationalized and it appears it will stay that way.

In my opinion, the oil companies obviously supported the war policy, but I'm not sure how much they actually had to do with the decision to go to war. They were probably a large influence, but clearly not the only one.


To leave economics out of the discussion is to not discuss the essence of what drives 99% of political & foreign policy decisions by the United States government. The issue of oil in Iraq is obviously a socialist/capitalist issue (oil industry being nationalized vs. oil industry being controlled by private oil companies).

HELLO! This was about the poor kids that lost their lives by the hand of yet another wacko!

Do we always have to go to politics? :confused:

Thank you thank you: For saying that. :thumbup:

I'm with L.

Perfect example.:hijack:

Well, I think I'm one of those who didn't learn a thing from this. If anyone ever killed one of my kids, there would be absolutely zero forgiveness on my part - not ever. If he didn't kill himself, I'd have done it for him. IMO - that's not "life happening", it's inexcusable murder. He was a sick bastard, period. Having said that, I'd not put any blame on the wife...

By killing him it still wouldn't take the pain away and then you would be just as bad as him, I think if someone killed my parents or even my dog I'd have the overwhelming urge to make them feel extreme pain, be I would have the strength to stuck it to them in the big pen!

I'm a believer in capitol punishment for capitol crime...

I agree the easy answer is to let your emotions flow, the bigger person is the one who can control your emotions. Its a basic part of being a human not just a animal driven by emotion.

I did miss that. My mistake.
 

Guiness: My apologies...I did miss that.

Cheers,
Chris

No problem :)

Well, realistically I probably wouldn't really kill him, but ONLY because I'd also go to jail for that. If I knew I wouldn't go to jail, I probably would. I believe it's OK to kill someone for purposely killing your kid just like it's OK to kill someone who is about to kill you - in that case you don't go to jail. Is that animal behavior? Should I be the bigger person and forgive him just before he pulls the trigger? The only difference is that your kid didn't have a chance to defend himself and it would just be after he pulled the trigger...

Is it the "modern day and age" that things are more easy to get the news out

or is society and people turning evil

because when I was a kid growing up in the 60's/70's you sure didn't hear anything like what goes on in the world today. (and I'm not talking about wars):rolleyes:

Not really looking for a in depth discussion as I don't think I will ever understand what makes a person do this. More looking to respect and mention what these people are going through,

as for the press believe me you don't need to tell me about them saw it first hand in Dunblane.

Understanding and religion are beyond me at times My neighbour who was a Jehova's Witness his son was the young lad that got shot in th eye at Dunblane and they gave permission for him to get blood to save his life he was disowned by the Jehova's Witnesses afterwards.

Also something my Mum said to me after Dunblane was when she came out of the School.

That she will never forget the look on the parents face as they ran up to the Primary School shear terror on their face the vacant unbelievable expression
people we know the local butchers shop keepers etc etc their life changing for ever I've seen the aftermath ripping some families appart.:mad: :mad:

Yes maybe the world has moved forward from the 60's but to what cost and I often wonder is it for the better.

Agreed, but all we can each do is try to leave our little corner of a little better place than it was we found it.

I see two tongue in cheek remarks by Guiness and Inlacal and suddenly this becomes an oil discussion. Nice going, Eric. Try cutting down on the coffee.

The shooting incidents in U.S. schools is alarming. That's now 4 killings in 3 months.

* Oct. 2: A gunman took a group of girls hostage at a one-room Amish schoolhouse in Pennsylvania's Lancaster County, killing five, including two who died the next day. The shooter, Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, killed himself.

* Sept. 29: Fifteen-year-old Eric Hainstock brought two guns to a school in rural Cazenovia, Wis., and fatally shot the principal, a day after the principal gave him a disciplinary warning for having tobacco on school grounds, police said.

* Sept. 27: Duane Morrison, 53, took six girls hostage at Platte Canyon High School in Bailey, Colo. Morrison sexually assaulted them and used them as human shields for hours before fatally shooting one girl and killing himself.

* Aug. 24: Christopher Williams, 27, went to an elementary school in Essex, Vt., looking for his ex-girlfriend, a teacher. He couldn't find her and fatally shot one teacher and wounded another, police said. Williams also killed his ex-girlfriend's mother, according to authorities. He shot himself twice in the head after the rampage and was arrested.

I respect the courage and conviction of the Amish people. By evenings end on the day of the incident, most of the Amish had given prayer and forgiveness to the shooter. A lot more of this world could certainly use a good dose of moral value.

One thing that I've always wondered - of all of the killers convicted, what percentage have a religious upbringing?

Was Charles Carl Roberts IV a church-goer? Was his grudge against the Amish way of life or did he bear a grudge against the school or a particular person associated with the school?

I guess we'll have to wait for the details to unfold.

:rofl:

:iagree:

There is no "reason" with unreasonable bastards. I am saddened, shocked and angered by the actions of the slime in these schools recently.

I've discussed this in the past FF and I'll probably be voicing some of my opinions on it this week.

It's very senseless indeed.

"I am surprised to see no thread on the amish shooting"

maybe 'cause this is a car site and they are toodling around in horse and buggy still?

(not meant to disrespect, downplay or ignore the actual tragedy)

Ace, Ace, Ace (spoken as Edith, Edith, Edith)...I thought me and you got past this lounge thing. :thud: I guess not :confused:

:rofl:

no issues, but the temptation to use the the word "toodling" got the best of me...

Ace - not to pry, but don't you have the wrong band member in your avatar? There was a dud named Ace in that band?

Ace Frehley - his avatar is Gene Simmons though, isn't it?

http://myspace-553.vo.llnwd.net/0125...51928553_l.jpg


No Pry, I've had my choice to choose from with them. Ace was my fave as a kid, but the Gene icon made for a better Powergoo image to tweak..

The best band, no. The most fun memorabilia to collect and see live, kinda.
They also make for a good navtweak image for the power on Nav splash screen, but the dealer will no immed. you messed with it.