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Originally Posted by fln8tive

PS: Just finished stringing the last of the made in China Christmas lights last night when I saw the Space Shuttle take off...talk about a contrast in technology.

Exactly! :)

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Most of the computer technology is now being developed in places like Japan, Korea, and Taiwan.

And what exactly have they developed? And where's the evidence they developed it? I sure don't see it.

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Another area where the US has always been a world leader is in Medicine. But in recent years, even that is starting to disappear as we continue to fall down the list of industrialized countries in areas such as infant mortality and life expectancy. Western Europe is now purchasing more medical supplies from Cuba than they are from the United States, and even American drug companies are doing more and more of their research overseas..

I won't argue weather this is true or not but i can tell you this; Nobody but nobody is making a mad dash to any 3rd world country for the medical breakthroughs they have developed. And that's a fact.

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

As a whole, there has been a "dumbing down" of society in this country, and it is affecting us on all levels. If there is any kind of transition going on here, it is that we are falling from our spot as the #1 world economic leader. The only thing today that keeps us a world power is our military. And if you study history, you will find out what happens to countries who lead the world in military but not much else. That will be our fate as well...

Depends on who your callin dumb. Seems to me it's not the folks in X5world, but it sure seems to be the suits who think they know it all when in fact critical reasoning escapes them. The common person has sense enough to see where this world is headed but the idiots at the top are blinded by their own power. Wanna call somebody dumb? there's your target.

But i've got news for you. The fate that all of us are heading for will have nothing to do with just this country, and it will be a lot more serious than you think. ;)

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Originally Posted by Kaefer

What the first post does not mention is that though all those things may be made elsewhere, they were surely designed in America or in Western Europe. Now, in the long run, what would you rather have? factories (low-skill labor) or intellectual property? Just off the top of my head, without much thought, here are some of the things intellectual property has brought us:

- space travel
- satellite systems
- computers
- computing networking
- internet (Google, Amazon, Yahoo, eBay, just to name a handful)
- one of the most respected college systems in the world (again, to name just a few, Harvard, Yale, MIT, UC Berkley, Michigan, UNC, Columbia, I can go on...). ALL of these schools, by the way, conduct some serious research.
- arguably the most advanced medical and health care system in the world.
- the most successful aerospace industry in the world.
- the most advanced military system in the world.
- oh yeah... though less than perfect, a democratic government system that has peacefully and un-interruptedly served this country for over 225 years.

Again, this is a quick, off-the-top-of-my-head list. ALL intellectual property that belongs to, or was created by, America.

Sri Lanka, Singapore, Taiwan, and China can keep their factories. We'll stick with engineering, medicine, and overall inventing things... :) :thumbup:

Juan

I posted it for reading pleasure only as it was sent to me on a chain Email, but it has actually got everyone to post some good points !!!:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Oh thats ok. Some of us are just waiting in the bushes
ready to pounce on any debatable subject. :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Quicksilver

Oh thats ok. Some of us are just waiting in the bushes
ready to pounce on any debatable subject. :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Kaefer

American workers work longer hours, and accomplish more than any other worker in the world. The average American works 45 hours a week; the average Japanese works 36; the average German works 37.

And you think that's a good thing?

100 years ago the average American worked 80 hours per week. Even young children worked back then. Perhaps we should go back to those days? Were we more productive back then?

Perhaps I look at the world a little differently than most, but the problem with the typical capitalist measure of the size of an enconomy (GDP), is that it does not account for anything except dollars. If someone pays me $500 tomorrow to dig a ditch in the morning and fill it in during the afternoon, most economists would say I had a very productive day -- $500 productive. The fact that I did nothing of any benefit to anyone does not seem to matter in their formula. So when our entire country spends its time doing eachother's laundry, as long as a decent amount of money exchanges hands, American economists will continue to say that our economy is growing and doing well.

Try not measuring productivity in paper dollars and instead in actual productivity, and you will find that our place in the world is falling fast. My prediction is that within 20 years, the American dollar will be worth about what the Mexican peso is worth.

The only reason we are not seeing big big problems is that we are such a large consumer market that foreign companies are bending over backwards to keep prices of consumer products low enough for Americans to afford. But in the very near future, they are not going to be able to do that anymore and prices of goods are going to start increasing rapidly as the dollar continues to drop. As wages are not increasing as fast as cost of living, much of our middle class is going to disappear.

As far as the computer technology, ever heard of companies like Samsung, LG, NEC, Toshiba, Sony and HTC (just to name a few)?

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Actually, that's not true. GDP, depending on which measure you use (there are three "M1," "M2," and "M3"), measures monies, checkable deposits, small time deposits (under $100,000) and large time deposits (over $100,000). Also, DGP only counts the purchase of new products. Whether you like the measurement of productivity or not is a moot point. That's the way it is measured. Sorry.

I never said computing technology did not exist in other countries; I said, computing technology was invented here. Ever heard of IBM, Apple, Texas Instruments, Microsoft, Sun, Oracle, and HP? C'mon... you're making an incongruent argument.

Juan

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Originally Posted by Quicksilver

And what exactly have they developed? And where's the evidence they developed it? I sure don't see it.

I won't argue weather this is true or not but i can tell you this; Nobody but nobody is making a mad dash to any 3rd world country for the medical breakthroughs they have developed. And that's a fact.

Depends on who your callin dumb. Seems to me it's not the folks in X5world, but it sure seems to be the suits who think they know it all when in fact critical reasoning escapes them. The common person has sense enough to see where this world is headed but the idiots at the top are blinded by their own power. Wanna call somebody dumb? there's your target.

But i've got news for you. The fate that all of us are heading for will have nothing to do with just this country, and it will be a lot more serious than you think. ;)

:thumbup:

Fact of the matter is, the USA is still the only place "I" would want to live when you take ALL aspects into consideration.
BTW, earnings.....

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...ings_416gr.gif
got to love industrialized countries

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Originally Posted by Kaefer

China is worse off. There are five men for every one woman. In some 25 years, you'll have a select "lucky" man who are married, and hundreds of million of Chinese men without mates. Do the math... China also has huge infrastructure, poverty, and corruption problems.

What scares me about that is what the outlet will be for those single men...either they go up to Brokeback Mountain or some smart propagandist turns them toward building up manpower for a war effort:eek:

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Originally Posted by JV

Gangs. They will be more likely to be poor. (The "well off" will find wives.) They will be the "bottom of the barrel," with few skills, no women, and a diminished earning potential.