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crosvs 02-04-2007 10:43 PM

to physics nerds: false advertising in falling LEXUS ad?!
 
So i know this may sound ridiculous, but i couldn't help but be curious to do the math and see if it works. :D

So LEXUS had this ad where they dropped a new IS350 from 4,000 feet, and at the same instant, another IS350 punched it from a standstill, 4,000 feet away from where the falling IS350 would land.

The claim? That an IS350 could cover 4,000 feet across the ground faster than one could fall from the sky.

So it's been probably seven or so years since I've done elementary newtonian physics lol but it seems to me that this is an outrageous claim:

I calculate that the IS350 would take only 15.78 seconds to fall from 4,000 feet: 15.78 seconds would be a respectable 1/4-mile time, there is NO WAY it could travel 4,000 feet.

I just used:

PE = KE
mgh = 1/2mv^2
2gh = v^2

g = 9.81 m/s^2
h = 4,000 feet = 1219 m

v = 155 m/s

then, (vf - vi) / t = 9.8 m/s^2 --> t = 15.81 s

What's LEXUS trying to pull?!

DINANM3 02-04-2007 10:59 PM

I agree with your math if im doing it right. Its been about `10 years since ive taken physics so im not positive though. But im sure its bullshit just like every other ad

SANguru 02-04-2007 11:01 PM

what?? so the twins actually do NOT exist?? WTF are you smoking???!:nanana:


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Originally Posted by DINANM3
I agree with your math if im doing it right. Its been about `10 years since ive taken physics so im not positive though. But im sure its bullshit just like every other ad


AzNMpower32 02-04-2007 11:19 PM

Lexus makes horrible ads. This is just another example.

trueX5er 02-04-2007 11:22 PM

I would think an IS350 would be way to slow.....maybe an IS-F....better yet a 335i! ;)

xnsf 02-04-2007 11:33 PM

i hate lexus ads too...why must they use a "british" narrator???

DINANM3 02-04-2007 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SANguru
what?? so the twins actually do NOT exist?? WTF are you smoking???!:nanana:

What twins.
And I think the worst Lexus ad is where its on a runway and every time it shifts you see the gear number on the pavement 1 thru 8. It is a retarted comercial

Thunder22 02-04-2007 11:46 PM

the toyota 0-70-0 ad was better.

AzNMpower32 02-04-2007 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DINANM3
What twins.
And I think the worst Lexus ad is where its on a runway and every time it shifts you see the gear number on the pavement 1 thru 8. It is a retarted comercial

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Originally Posted by gresch
the toyota 0-70-0 ad was better.

Toyota can't make good ads because their cars can't corner. If they tried to make an ad involving twisty roads, the cars would have to drive too slowly or else risk understeering into the next tree. Hence, your "straight line only" ads.

BMW used to make good ads before they switched agencies. I vaguely remember an ad where a guy walks into a BMW dealership, and starts daydreaming about the fun he'd have driving as the ad focuses on the 325i accelerating and driving on twisty roads. Ah, nothing pricks my ears like the sound of an inline 6.;)

rayxi 02-05-2007 01:15 AM

What you are missing from your analysis is the drag coefficient and that fact that the car would reach terminal velocity rather than continue accelerating at 9.81 m/s2. I have no idea what the drag coefficient is of a car falling wheels first but I'm guessing the terminal velocity is <75m/s. So while it is possible it isn't all that impressive.

B&DCalgary 02-05-2007 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rayxi
What you are missing from your analysis is the drag coefficient and that fact that the car would reach terminal velocity rather than continue accelerating at 9.81 m/s2. I have no idea what the drag coefficient is of a car falling wheels first but I'm guessing the terminal velocity is <75m/s. So while it is possible it isn't all that impressive.

You're right. A car falling wheels first would produce a heck of a lot of drag and would hit its terminal velocity pretty quickly and would not be going particularly fast. I'm guessing it probably wouldn't even hit 100 mph, but that's just my guess.

X5Flyboy 02-05-2007 07:40 AM

Just another ad promoting driving that is illegal - I really hate those "closed course, professional driver" ads and those ads with the 4'8" model that make the vehicle seem huge

Wagner 02-05-2007 08:22 AM

OMG, I think your thinking a little too hard about the Lexus commercials :rofl:

blondboinsd 02-05-2007 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AzNMpower32
Toyota can't make good ads because their cars can't corner. If they tried to make an ad involving twisty roads, the cars would have to drive too slowly or else risk understeering into the next tree. Hence, your "straight line only" ads.

BMW used to make good ads before they switched agencies. I vaguely remember an ad where a guy walks into a BMW dealership, and starts daydreaming about the fun he'd have driving as the ad focuses on the 325i accelerating and driving on twisty roads. Ah, nothing pricks my ears like the sound of an inline 6.;)

Yeah I LOVED the new 3 series ad billboards that said "3 Cheers the ALL new 3 is here!"

My All Time Favorite Commercial for a BMW?

The WHOLE reason I bought an X5, the 2003 Commercial for the new 2004 X5 with X-Drive that had the 4 angels on it

I have to say Mercedes does the best commercials, I LOVE the SL500 commercial where it shows the whole history in generations of the SL

dkl 02-05-2007 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rayxi
What you are missing from your analysis is the drag coefficient and that fact that the car would reach terminal velocity rather than continue accelerating at 9.81 m/s2. I have no idea what the drag coefficient is of a car falling wheels first but I'm guessing the terminal velocity is <75m/s. So while it is possible it isn't all that impressive.

Plus, the car on the ground had a running start.

GUINNESS 02-05-2007 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AzNMpower32
Toyota can't make good ads because their cars can't corner. If they tried to make an ad involving twisty roads, the cars would have to drive too slowly or else risk understeering into the next tree. Hence, your "straight line only" ads.

BMW used to make good ads before they switched agencies. I vaguely remember an ad where a guy walks into a BMW dealership, and starts daydreaming about the fun he'd have driving as the ad focuses on the 325i accelerating and driving on twisty roads. Ah, nothing pricks my ears like the sound of an inline 6.;)


I forgot what that sounds like since I've been without my car since January 12 :(

xnsf 02-05-2007 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GUINNESS
I forgot what that sounds like since I've been without my car since January 12 :(

vacationing?

crosvs 02-05-2007 03:00 PM

yeah, i considered the drag factor but didn't think it would be THAT significant an issue here. I know terminal velocity for a person is something around 135 mph ... right? anyway ... hm. i'll check with my buddy who's a phd student at cal tech ... he can straighten this out once and for all :)

this is why i'm a lawyer and not a physicist :D

MrX30si 02-05-2007 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dkl
Plus, the car on the ground had a running start.

Yep, they let the ground car hit the start line (release point) at a pre-set velocity. Crazy though, If the heli was 20 ft too low at release. . :yikes:

crosvs 02-05-2007 04:34 PM

well in that case, if the laws of physics DID allow the stunt to be performed, i still wonder whether they really did it (in which case, WOW props to that ad agency!!) or whether it was just CG.

mrkbbd 02-05-2007 04:58 PM

well 135mph for a human is a lot more than the car could fall, especially since they have it falling wheels down, it's essentially a falling brick (which is not going to happen, it should fall front end facing the earth because of the mass of the engine), meaning the drag has a huge impact

rebound 02-05-2007 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by crosvs
well in that case, if the laws of physics DID allow the stunt to be performed, i still wonder whether they really did it (in which case, WOW props to that ad agency!!) or whether it was just CG.

I think we're starting to catch on.

Not CG, but two separate shots pasted together.

GUINNESS 02-05-2007 06:40 PM

Tricky ad agencies....

and no, not vacationing :(

statdoc 02-05-2007 10:36 PM

It has been way too many years since my college physics for me to comment on this.:NOADD:


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