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Quicksilver 09-13-2007 02:42 AM
Sorry my friend but making weapons to Kill people and then calling A $700+ billion defense budget Money well spent is completely asinine and deserves no further discussion. :nanana:

Wagner 09-13-2007 05:21 AM
Wow, I'm with Quicksilver...

And it is cute how you think you know Russia & China's true military budget.

Eric5273 09-13-2007 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Wagner
Wow, I'm with Quicksilver...
Quicksilver knows that I am even more against it than he is. I was speaking from the perspective of the military contractors. I'm sure they think it is a good thing. Otherwise they would not spend the many millions bribing the politicians to vote for war.


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Originally Posted by Wagner
And it is cute how you think you know Russia & China's true military budget.
Russia and China both have elected parlaments and in both cases, just as in the United States, the parlament/congress controls all spending, and votes on the budget. The budget of both contries is public information just as it is here.

Do they hide certain spending for this like intelligence? Of course -- the Pentagon does the same thing. But the overall budget is known, just not the specifics of what the Pentagon uses the money for.

Wagner 09-13-2007 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric5273
Quicksilver knows that I am even more against it than he is. I was speaking from the perspective of the military contractors. I'm sure they think it is a good thing. Otherwise they would not spend the many millions bribing the politicians to vote for war.




Russia and China both have elected parlaments and in both cases, just as in the United States, the parlament/congress controls all spending, and votes on the budget. The budget of both contries is public information just as it is here.

Do they hide certain spending for this like intelligence? Of course -- the Pentagon does the same thing. But the overall budget is known, just not the specifics of what the Pentagon uses the money for.
Keep on believing that.

Eric5273 09-13-2007 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Wagner
Keep on believing that.
I will believe it until I read some information stating otherwise.

Everyone seems very quick to conjure up conspiracy theories about other governments without any evidence at all, but when presented with evidence about conspiracies our own government is involved in, nobody wants to even consider that they may be true. :confused:

Wagner 09-13-2007 10:13 AM
'evidence' used very loosely.

AzX5 09-13-2007 10:18 AM
Why would most countries need a huge defense budget when they know the U.S. will come to their aid immediately if ever needed? Because of our defense spending, it allows other countries to spend more of their tax budget on your desired social programs.

Eric5273 09-13-2007 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AzX5
Why would most countries need a huge defense budget when they know the U.S. will come to their aid immediately if ever needed?
Are you trying to be funny here?? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

"Come to their aid"?? You've got to be kidding. The US is the reason that most of these countries have as high a defense budget as they do. Most of the countries we are talking about (China, Russia, Pakistan) have the defense budgets that they do because they fear a US invasion. If it weren't for the US, they would have much lower defense budgets.

This is an arms race being driven by the huge US defense budget. The other countries are simlpy trying to keep up.

Wagner 09-13-2007 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric5273
Are you trying to be funny here?? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

"Come to their aid"?? You've got to be kidding. The US is the reason that most of these countries have as high a defense budget as they do. Most of the countries we are talking about (China, Russia, Pakistan) have the defense budgets that they do because they fear a US invasion. If it weren't for the US, they would have much lower defense budgets.

This is an arms race being driven by the huge US defense budget. The other countries are simlpy trying to keep up.
Russia & China don't fear a US invasion....... :rofl: Calm down Imperialism boy :)

And why do you think Taiwan and S. Korean don't care about military spending, because they rely on the US to front that. The British also know that we will send them pretty much everything they need, if they need it. And Israel...wow...just sit back and watch the imports :rofl:

Hell, even Iran has our stuff.

Eric5273 09-13-2007 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Wagner
And why do you think Taiwan and S. Korean don't care about military spending, because they rely on the US to front that. The British also know that we will send them pretty much everything they need, if they need it. And Israel...wow...just sit back and watch the imports :rofl:
Then how come Taiwan, South Korea, Britain, and Israel are all among the top 20 countries in military spending? Yet the countries we are supposedly protecting them from (North Korea, Iran, Syria) are nowhere to be found on that list.

You don't make a very good case for that argument. :rolleyes:

http://www.dialoginternational.com/d...ng_chart_1.gif

And BTW, the number listed in this chart for the US does NOT include the $100+ billion seperately allocated for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan by congress later during the year.


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