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chilliwilli 12-27-2007 04:28 PM

Still believe Bin Laden is responsible for blowing up those skyscrapers huh? Interesting how the FBI never even indicted the man and admits there isn't a shred of evidence linking him. What we're being told about Bhutto's assisination could be far from truth...

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Originally Posted by asawadude
No disrespect, LeMansX5, but I'm not seeing how Musharraf can be referred to as "Bin laden in Pakistan." He is many things, most of which are not positive, but I don't see him blowing up skyscrapers filled with thousands of people.


diogenes! 12-27-2007 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273
Might I invite you to do some reading:

No thanks - you can keep the conspiracy theory fever swamps. I prefer the actual version of history versus the imaginary.

Our government can't even keep simple secrets, like dunking a couple of unlawful combatants, much less a palace coup...

Aimster 12-27-2007 05:33 PM

Musharaf probably had something to do with it. If it wasn't him then one of his people.

Either way it was not as if this woman was some angel. She has a history of corruption and brutality under her regime. The only reason the west likes her is because she is a) woman and b) she wears her headscarf as if it is a fashion statement rather than religious statement.

diogenes! 12-27-2007 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chilliwilli
Still believe Bin Laden is responsible for blowing up those skyscrapers huh? Interesting how the FBI never even indicted the man and admits there isn't a shred of evidence linking him.

Uhm... The FBI doesn't bring indictments - that would be up a Federal Grand Jury. Maybe one was never convened because this administration considered it an act of war and not a criminal matter. IIRC, that's why Clinton never acted when friendly gov'ts offered bin laden to him. Not enough evidence indeed - his own videotaped admission notwithstanding. Of course, Eric will argue that was "forged"... :rofl: The financial trail alone led straight to binnie-boy like a four lane highway.
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What we're being told about Bhutto's assisination could be far from truth...
I don't know about the "truth" part, but I imagine most of the details of Bhutto's assassination will never be known - the track record for Pakistani "investigations" being what it is...

Wagner 12-27-2007 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by diogenes!
No thanks - you can keep the conspiracy theory fever swamps. I prefer the actual version of history versus the imaginary.

Our government can't even keep simple secrets, like dunking a couple of unlawful combatants, much less a palace coup...

While I agree with most of your statement, I can't agree with the last line. Our government NOW can't keep a secret, pre 1970's...we could keep secrets like no other :thumbup:

It's a double-edged sword almost as matter a fact as the line from A Few Good Men...

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Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinburg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago, and you curse the marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Eric5273 12-27-2007 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by diogenes!
I don't know about the "truth" part, but I imagine most of the details of Bhutto's assassination will never be known - the track record for Pakistani "investigations" being what it is...

Of course since you don't believe in conspiracy theories, I'm sure you would just assume it was some crazy nut who acted alone. Maybe he was mentally unstable or trying to achieve fame. Yeah...that must be it. :thumbup:

Wagner 12-27-2007 07:04 PM

She was most likely killed by extremists, with or without Musharaffs knowledge. Look at it this way, she had over 63% of the popular vote..far more then the current Prez or ANY rival. She was obviously going to win in the coming months. This was VERY bad for anyone opposed to the US foreign policy. This is similar to when RFK was shot after it was obvious he won the California primary and was moving on...

It is far easier to take a possible leader out then a current leader. Remember that. Not to mention if Musharaff faked the election to win again, it would be too obvious and since they can't do the whole 'hanging chad' thing to pull an election, they have to rely on the old tested method. If that place doesn't go into a state of emergency or an all out coup, I'll be shocked.

Eric5273 12-27-2007 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by diogenes!
Our government can't even keep simple secrets, like dunking a couple of unlawful combatants, much less a palace coup...

Who said anything about keeping secrets? You are correct....they are terrible at keeping secrets. There is tons of leaks and tons of information that has been released by the government over the years on many of the assassinations.

During the 1990s, under the 1992 "JFK Act" which George Bush Sr. signed into law, over 4 million government documents were released by the Congressional Assassination Records Review Board. More than 90% of these documents pre-dated the assassination, yet were deemed worthy of being related to the assassination. That's a lot of documents having to do with something which you say was a random shooting by a lone nut.

The Assassination Records Review Board also subpeonaed any witnesses who were still alive and re-interviewed them. All these interviews are public record.

The most interesting testimony given was that of the autopsy doctors. Here is the transcripts of those:

ARRB Medical Testimony

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Because of the highly controversial and conflicted medical testimony in the JFK assassination, and the lack of a chain-of-custody for so many important evidentiary materials, the ARRB decided to conduct sworn depositions to "clarify the medical evidence."


In 1996 through 1998, testimony was taken from nine persons present at Kennedy's autopsy, two others who were involved in processing or disseminating photographs of the autopsy, and five doctors who treated JFK in Parkland Hospital in Dallas. For those familiar with the medical evidence in the case, these detailed interviews contain a wealth of material and have fueled the debate over the nature of Kennedy's wounds and the direction of shots which caused them.

Some of the testimony directly impugns the very authenticity of autopsy materials. For instance, the ARRB interviewed Saundra Kay Spencer, who processed autopsy photographs the weekend of the assassination, and testified that the photos now in the National Archives are not the ones she developed. Similarly autopsy photographer John Stringer disavowed the photos of the brain held in the Archives. These depositions are "must reading" for those with an interest in the medical aspects of the case.
Just a FYI: all nine doctors who were interviewed regarding the autopsy -- ALL of them said that the photographs currently in the National Archives (the same ones published in the Warren Commission report and later used by the House Select Committee in the 1970s) are NOT photographs of the body that they examined. They all described a big hole in the rear of the head, i.e. part of the rear skull missing -- yet the photos all show a tiny bullet-size hole in the rear of the head with the rest of the skull intact.


In any case, the autopsy is just one of about 20 different areas you can study on the assassination, and in all of the areas, the Warren Commission's evidence falls apart as either being lies or being based on phony evidence. There is not even a tiny bit of their evidence that stands up to scrutiny.

None of this evidence is hidden or being kept a secret. It is just ignorant people who still think the world is flat 15 years after it has been proven to be round. Yes, a round world is a hard concept to grasp for those who are used to living in a flat world. But it is no "conspiracy theory" anymore. It has been proven 10 times over and is now fact.

diogenes! 12-27-2007 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273
Of course since you don't believe in conspiracy theories, I'm sure you would just assume it was some crazy nut who acted alone. Maybe he was mentally unstable or trying to achieve fame. Yeah...that must be it. :thumbup:

Nice conflation eric - taking a quote referring to US assassination attempts and stretching it to cover Bhutto's killing. Must take a lot of effort to jump to those conclusions...

E61Silver 12-27-2007 07:50 PM

I still don't think JFK was killed by a political opponent, the mob or Cuba probably


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