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Originally Posted by LeMansX5

:iagree: The singers make millions in royalty,.....on one album there are probably 2-3 good songs and rest are crap so you pay $20 for just 2-3 songs.

My company has dozens of musicians and songwriters, and not a single one of them make millions in royalties. :rolleyes:

Making that kind of statement is like citing how much money the owner of Facebook (another website) earns as your reason for complaining about the cost of X5World membership. After all, if one website owner earns billions, then I guess the owners of X5World must be wealthy too...right?

Perhaps the issue here is not going to affect the few elite wealthy musicians and songwriters, but it will affect the average musician and songwriter who works very hard for a living and does not make millions.

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Originally Posted by Quicksilver

That's why i posted this first. Most people don't have a clue what copyright law entails or what the spirit of it means. All they think is you go out and buy something, that's it, it's mine, done. But it's not that simple. What people don't understand is that what you buy is a performance not a piece of plastic. What that means is that you get to use that performance for your personal use but duplication and distribution in any form of that performance is bound by copyright law. So one has to know and understand what the law says regarding the distribution of said performance. Each individual is not allowed to make up their own rules regarding duplication and distribution.

In the past if one were to duplicate a performance it was almost sure to be huge effort to copy and distribute performances of any quality or quanity. One had to go out and spend a great deal of money buying duplicating equiptment to do the job and few people had the resources to do so and If they were caught doing it they were prosecuted for doing so.

These days digital duplication means that flawless copies can be made of the original right at home then sold in ever greater quantities than before. Because of this ability to produce flawless copies and the internet as an effective distribution vehicle there is a real threat the economic position of the recording industry.

So the real deal is that it isn't right for people to take the performance property of song writers, producers and so on and pass it around without regard for the law. Obeying the law in this matter is showing respect for the creators of the performance and all the other people who signed contracts to get paid for their part of the performance. :thumbup:

Good post! :thumbup:

The last time the copyright law was updated was 1976, before any of this digital stuff existed.

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Originally Posted by Wagner

Exactly, much like enforcing whether a person burns a cd they bought to their iPod.

My point was that you may have seen a warning flash across a TV screen, but you didn't necessarily agree with the terms it stated. With the CD, when you purchased it it was clearly labelled, and you accepted those terms the first time you played it. In that sense, I don't think the two are alike at all.

In the sense that the music or football recounting police would have to come into your home and find you breaking the law, then yes, I see your point. I just think it is an extreme example, and avoids the real issue of copyright law.

My personal feeling is that the one copy you buy has been paid for and you should be able to give it away for free if you want.

I wonder if all those New York city bums should be paying royalties on the bottles/cans they collect and return at 5 cents a piece. Hey, those guys are profiting on it at least! (insert sarcasm smiley here)

I understand but remember "your personal feelings don't mean much when it comes to the law"

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Originally Posted by Tainui

We should do a quick show of hands, how many of you have never...ever......ever....copied a CD of any kind (since they all have copyright laws, whether software or music) and never downloaded a single mp3, etc.

BTW: I can't raise my hand.

If your saying ""If you make unauthorized copies of copyrighted music recordings ... you could be held legally liable for thousands of dollars in damages." Then your right. Some of us recognize that. Others don't seem to get it at all. In fact they think it's their god given right and that's where this thread went.

This battle has been played out before.

The Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 law some ground rules for home recording.

However, if NO copies of copyrighted matertiel is allowed...goodbye Tivo and DVRs

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Originally Posted by Quicksilver

Simple question, did you copy licensed media or not....pretty much a Y or N.

Yeah...DVR's can now hit the road...bah bye...as could probably a majority of crap found on the Internet. IMO, it is just dumb to have time wasted by things like fathoming prosecuting people for making copies of these type of media. It is a waste of time, breath, action and money.

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Originally Posted by Wagner

All of my music is backed up on a 80g USB portable hard disc drive. It is more convenient and it allows me to preserve my original copy without the risk of it being scratched or damaged. No file sharing here, though.

My right to do so has been jurisprudentially supported by the U.S. Supreme Court, and The Fair Use Act.

Basically, what we have here is a industry that is trying to survive in the digital age. The need for the current medium such as CD's are now obsolete. Plus CD's have been overpriced for a long time, and artists usually only see .25 to .50 cents per unit sold. The artists make most of their money on live performances.

Where was the RIAA when I used to rock the dual tape deck.