that's true :)

I'll go with what it actually priced at as tested :thumbup:

Wagner, you pay way too much attention to magazine's estimates for pricing info. You have good intentions, I know, but auto magazines that give estimates mean nothing, I'm sure you can understand that seeing as how the M3 starts at 57k and not 70k. If you add premium, cold, and all that, it will be close, but still no 70k.

P.S. a 100% fully loaded 335 coupe ends up somewhere around 55k. If a 100% fully loaded M3 is indeed 70k, then the difference is still only 15k, which is understandable going from a normal 3 to an M3 (not to mention that a fully loaded M3 has options such as M-DKG, EDC and extended leather which are not even available on the standard 3).

+1.. not to mention there is room to play on the 335i but M3 if you can get it will be at MSRP. Fully loaded M3 coupe right now is about 73K. hardtop is typically about 4-5K more. Love it when people say I would get this or that when they are not even on the list nor will they be even getting a car in the near future...

dude.. the pricing is published.. there's no if, ands or but's.

Yes and I'm going exactly off of the pricing list. I was looking right at it and the 335 pricing list when I wrote that post. The M3 starts at 57k, not 70k. Fully loaded it is 73k (excuse me if I said 70k earlier). Fully loaded the 335 is 56k.

Did I say something incorrect?

I'm realistic :)

We shouldn't be obsessed with price lists and bare bones MSRP BMW's...because they don't exist. So to quote a "price list" is, well let's say you just aren't going to find that for sale. But by all means, let us know if you pick up a new M3 for $57k :) [considering I paid mid-50's for my 2003 when I bought it, 5 years ago...yeah its MSRP was in the mid 40's]

I have yet to ever see, in my time with BMW, a new M Bimmer roll out for MSRP with no options. I guess there is a chance for it though...of course after you taxed it and gas taxed it, doh you'd be over $60K.

Don't we always order our BMWs to spec, so that we don't pay more for extra options that the dealer ordered? I mean, if I got a new 328i sedan, I wouldn't care that the ones on dealer lots sticker for $39k because I'd order one for $36k with only sport, xenons, and split-folding rear seats. Heck, its even cheaper with ED (although this may not apply to M3s).

I have seen E46 M3s on the road with NO options at all. Not even a moonroof or leather.

I'm not saying that people should go out and buy a bare bones M3. I was contradicting your statement that the M3 and the 3 series are 35k apart, which they clearly are not. At the same time, barely anyone is going to go out an fully option their M3 to the post 70k level (how many people do you see rolling in 335i's that are 57k?), we can expect most of them to go out the door in the mid 60s.

P.S. your M3 you bought 5 years ago started at 48 (with taxes and gas that would push it well into the 50's with nothing on it), if we're being facetious that is :thumbup: .