Another reason not to vote for Obama...
 

he will kill small business with his lack of economics knowledge.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080613/...ocial_security


He want's to raise payroll taxes on those making more the $250K, which is almost ALL small business owners.

That plan would make sense if you offered someone relief from a tax burden. For instance I always thought it was odd that when I was 15 working part-time after school I paid SS tax. Yet, now, when I make more then $106,000 I stop paying it. How about you reverse that process??

Just more get more money and spend it along with punish successful people. Of course, he has also proclaimed a huge hike in minimum wage. Well, econ 101 Barack...what will a small business do that is barely making it now when you tell them they must pay their employees more? Oh, go under. So now what will you do with the laid off person?? It is simplistic, short-term plans like that which kill an economy. Kind of like reducing taxes while starting a war.

More awesome economic plans.

His econ proposals are pretty damn scary. It'll be a tough decision this fall.

Overspending can not be fixed with more Taxes. How about the government doing what you and I do every day, live within it's means.

Its another case of the lose-lose :tsk:

How hard is it though, really, to write an income down to 250K as a small business owner.

The #1 reason not to vote for Obama...

He will kill you with taxes!:yikes:

:wow:

Wow, don't I feel really small. I don't even make anywhere close to that. In fact, my entire staff, including myself, falls short of that figure.

I know lots of small business owners, and not a single one tops that figure. What exactly do you consider a small business?

Not disagreeing...but, I find the candidates' bs and "things they would do/change"
to be equivalent to one promising to make everyone happy; it's all lip service, talking
points and bs, imo.

And, other than the "executive order approach", which the current genius prez may
have worn out, there is little that can be pushed through Congress, without an extra
500 pages of pork/deals in any bill and the lack of consensus there, except for filling
their pockets and making more ineffective "work" & rules, for the US citizens.
What a quagmire...

:iagree:

Pretty pathetic situation coming this fall.
McCain isn't a bright candidate either. On NBC’s “Today” show, McCain was asked, since the surge appears to be working, if he had a better estimate of when our troops might come home from Iraq. His answer: “No, but that’s not too important.” He went on to say casualties are more important, that there are Americans stationed all over the world but not in harm’s way.
The current candidates will make Bush look a hero.

Obama will increase taxes recklessly. McCain will keep us in a war that costs a crapload of money. What's a voter to do?

Obama forgets that the wealthier people usually have decent tax advisors.....my business incomes flows thru an S corp(non taxable entity).. being the only officer and employee i can adjust my W2 income to what i choose and have the rest released to me as dividends(not subject to payroll tax)

We are only talking an extra social security tax here so i'm presuming if obama makes you pay more then should not that money go back to that individual in terms of increased SS benefits... i doubt it ..

Again :iagree: and i don't understand why people don't understand that the prez is only one man when it comes to following thru with those promises..... :dunno:

Because with a Dem Congress and Diane at the helm, he could pass those.

I don't think it will be as much of a walk in the park as some folks believe it will be.

To repeat MD's words.........

And, other than the "executive order approach", which the current genius prez may
have worn out, there is little that can be pushed through Congress, without an extra
500 pages of pork/deals in any bill and the lack of consensus there, except for filling
their pockets and making more ineffective "work" & rules, for the US citizens.
What a quagmire...

I would give it better odds then most. I'm still very curious to see how both parties play the "Iraq not letting US forces stay" cards.

Not a political person; But I understand the concerns people have. Aside from the bushman pitching a war few Presidents have followed thru with their promises. There are just enough opposing opinions , views and ideas from all camps to short circuit the perceived goals of one man. But we shall see.

OT, but not really...
Since I sense, (that's an unusual line), that QwkAg and I seem surprisingly
to be in the same zip code on general political terms, I think he & I should
team up and run for King & RightHandMan...

We could alternate the positions every 3 months or so...

I think a year or two of us'uns making proclamations, orders and decisions,
would help fix this country.

Neither one will have to. Al-Maliki just signed his death warrant today. He will be murdered in the very near future, replaced by someone more willing to give into US demands, and we will be told that he was killed by an Al-Queda suicide bomber, car bomb, or something similar. Or else he will "come to his senses", and agree to US demands.

Why is it so hard to understand BH Obama's economic approach? Comrade, it is easy.

I am anxiously awaiting someone to attest to why increasing taxes will jumpstart this economy and lead us to hope and change… Since`that is the backbone of the democrat ideology (redistribute wealth)...

Or is it simply easier to ‘bash’…?

If any of you can spend 1/80th the amount of time convincing me why increasing taxes is a good thing for this economy – rather than taking swipes at ‘this administration’ – then I will officially vote for the magic negro…

Obama's tax plan, in addition to screwing EVERYONE who sacrificed and risked to get to where they are at (north of $200k/yr), also included is ANYONE that sells their home, ANYONE who gets dividends from stocks, ANYONE who has a 401K, etc...

if your concern is the deficit, voting democrat is definitely not going to solve that one...

Just take one of their 2,178 proposed social programs - healthcare, E85, etc etc etc - each and every one of those - once you increase taxes on everyone - it is also going to take massive funding by the government - so, a double whammy... And we won't even touch on increased taxes - which will drive less dollars to the gov (people spend dramatically less since they have less deposable income)...

Also - I view it as my personal responsibility to isolate myself and my family as much as possible from these somewhat uncontrollable forces. I leverage each of my firms to the fullest - but at the end of the day, I still pay taxes - and therefore all I can do is cast one vote in order to decide which crook uses my monies the best at a state and federal level...

Maybe it all comes down to this - and something we can all agree on (and shatters one of the huge pillars in the Democrat ideology): I know that I am the best person to decide what I want to do with my money.

Period...

I love when people use the term "wealth redistribution". Capitalism at its best is wealth redistribution. It is a system that allows a few to amass most of the wealth while leaving everyone else poor. What socialism tries to do is put restrictions on how much wealth can be redistributed, i.e. how rich or how poor people can get.

That said, I am a socialist and I can tell you that Barak Obama is no socialist -- not even close. If zero on the political spectrum is socialism, and ten is capitalism, he is maybe a 7, while McCain is a 9. And in my lifetime, nobody lower than a 6 has ever been nominated to run for president for one of the major parties. If you were to look through the entire Senate, the only member who would fall below a 6 on my scale is Bernie Sanders from VT, who is probably around a 4 or 5.

I have an idea. If you want wealth... Earn it!
It doesn't affect me one bit, I go to college, but honest-to-god, why should people be paid for nothing, and why should those who earned it lose. Nobody should get a free ride.

Like the story of the triple deckers... Husband "moves" upstairs, wife claims social security for being "abandoned"

We're right back where we were in 2000. And 2004. Two sh*tty candidates. One young, naive and inexperienced, has loads of "groupies" who pester people to vote for him; the other old, bitter, wants his turn on the joyride.
Ohhh, Cannnn-a-daaaaaa :tgif:
:tsk:

No politics for me my friend. I prefer common sense. That is what we're talking about right? How long do you think people are going to cop to that? :rofl:

And this is one of the best reasons to vote for McCain. He WILL veto any bill with pork attached to it. He has promised this and I have no reason to doubt he will follow through with it.

It is pathetic that these are the only two real choices we have to be ruler of the free world though...

If the Democrats can't figure out a way to make this country work on the high taxes I'm already paying, thank you, my vote is gonna swing Republican.

I realize most here have spent less time on the planet, than others or,
have short memories and/or react to the news reactionaries...

A brief history of the Political Party Affiliation of the Congress and Senate,
going back to 1999-2001 session:

106th '99-'01
House 221 Rep 212 Dem
Senate 55 Rep 45 Dem

107th '01-'03
House 221 Rep 212 Dem
Senate 50 50

108th '03-'05
House 229 Rep 205 Dem
Senate 51 Rep 48 Dem

109th '05-'07
House 231 Rep 202 Dem
Senate 55 Rep 44 Dem

110th '07-'09
House 199 Rep 236 Dem
Senate 49 49

"Taxes" that impact most of us today, didn't arise in the last 20 mins or
even 20 months. The Reps have held a number advantage in House from
1995, until the last election congressional election.

I am not for either "party"...I just thought we might have a lil'review of
who "controlled" the House/Senate for the past 13+ years.

It's fun to watch the candidates throw bs around...and, interesting to
read some/most of the political posts here. I suspect most of you dear
readers slept through Poli Sci 101 and never took another PoliSci course
after that Fresh Req, ;)

Here is a something everyone should strongly consider when they vote.

Earmark provisions...Pork at its finest usually slipped in at the last minute into legislation used to funnel cash into a politicians district for a specific project, company or neighborhood.

Total Earmarks

McCain 0 (ZERO)

Obama 113 (ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTEEN and counting)

Now consider that McCain has been in the Senate since 1987 and Obama since 2005.

MD,

You hit the nail on the head. Some of the best cat naps I've ever had were during Poli Sci 101.
Having said that, I no little to nothing about the way our system of gov't works. That is also why I don't usually vote. Popular vote, super delegates, primary's, etc. To be honest, none of it makes any sense to me. It's more confusing than trying to use a bidet and at least a bidet makes you feel clean and fresh, unlike politics.

That whole chart you put up, actually means nothing to me. I haven't a clue what it means. Should I be embarassed about that, probably, but why can't we just make the system normal, easy.

I even watched that movie Recount on HBO, I'm hoping the English language version comes out soon.

Here are the two things that are most impt. to me in the next election.
1) International Policy
2) Taxes and Economy

I believe both candidates are reasonably good men. They both seem to have good intentions and an ability to execute. At the very least, their both better than Bush.

I'm not going to get caught up in the "Change" campaign though. Cause I believe that both of them want a better America.

Either way, either candidate is going to have a real tough 4-8 years.

No matter who we vote for we should at the least look for entertainment value provided by the candidate. Both Bush and Clinton have provided good entertainment. Of the current candidates I believe McCain has more potential to provide that, but you never know what Obama has up his sleeve.
Here are some entertaining YouTube videos on Bush:

Drunk bush
President Bush Drunk Again
GWB insults blind/handicap reporter
LETTERMAN 'TOP TEN GEORGE W. BUSH MOMENTS'
George W. Bush Intelligent President
Funny Bush
Is Bush an "Idiot"?
Funny - simple Q
Bushes dumbest Moments
What?

I still ain't voting for the old man. Well it is not my first time that I got my (lunch) money taken before. At least I have all the reason not to have taxable income higher than 200k/yr.

IMO It is a really really bad idea.

tru dat.