Wow! I turned off push and have been on this thing all morning. Still full! What else is wierd is that my emails (roadrunner, gmail, and hacked firstclass) come through much faster than on push.... They even beat mac mail!

I did let my battery drain the first time I used the phone. I didn't know draining it again was helpful...

So, I'm draining it again !

because the phone has to maintain a connection for the push to work. if you schedule it say every 15-20 minutes, the phone will only reconnect when it fetches your email.

Just another reason that bberry isn't in danger of being made obsolete by the Iphunk.

The batteries in the Iphone do NOT suffer from memory issues. It's a lithium battery. Don't waste your time. In fact, draining a lithium battery is bad for it.

Yeah I know. Might be a good thing too except my wife has AT&T & i have Verizon. We have different providers in order to make sure we always have service no matter where we are.

Lately i have been re-considering the need for a smart phone in favor of a no frills phone(no internet, no music, no e-mail.) But it seems those are hard to find these days.

I know it's a lithium battery. But my battery life was just RIDICULOUSY poor out of the box.

My phone's battery life improved after draining the battery twice... Others may not see the same results -- I'm just saying what I did that improved my battery life...

I did do a firmware upgrade to 5A347 (by doing a restore in iTunes) around the same time so it is possible that did improve my battery life instead.

I know little to nothing about how batteries work so I wouldn't know how to argue with you. You're probably right.

But I was specifically told by the salesman at the Apple store to drain the battery down before it's 1st charge.

I assumed he was speaking on behalf of Apple and the technology, but he could have just been talking out his arse... :dunno:

Despite the fact that he didn't drop trow on you and start conversing with you directly from his butt, he was indeed talking out of his ass :)

His advice is great for NMh based batteries, and idiotic for lithium. you can google it if you wish.

OK, I googled it. I found Apple's page for improving iPhone battery performance. There's a whole list of things and one of them are "For proper maintenance of a lithium-based battery, it’s important to keep the electrons in it moving occasionally. Be sure to go through at least one charge cycle per month (charging the battery to 100% and then completely running it down)." So I guess the advice that B-Line got from the Apple employee to let it run down matches this recommendation...

Apple's iPhone battery link

And gresh, you are correct. As a rule, these lithium batteries should not be run down. My battery's performance was just unacceptable and I wanted to try running it down. Otherwise I was going to have to return it to the Apple store for a replacement...

well, now mr. jobs is truly a God, he's reinvented physics :) lol