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Originally Posted by StartX5 (Post 621707)

Yup, i don't hate the Lakers, when i was younger i enjoyed Magic Johnson ( Larry Bird ) and later Michael Jordan of Chicago Bulls. You may don't like what i feel for Kobe but the facts that you can't compare basketball vs. pop music like Michael Jackson.
Michael Jackson is the only one for pop at that time but there are many many great players who play better basketball than Kobe but they don't act like Kobe. Kobe attitude is horrible.

Again, i like Lakers because of Magic Johnson, I like Utah because of Karl Malone, I like Chicago because of Michael Jordan, I like the Cavs because of Jame Lebron, I like Toronto because of Vince Carter, I like Sixers because of "Dr. J" I like Celtics because of Larry Bird, because of Kevin Garnett, Paul and Ray Allen etc.

I like Lakers but I DON'T LIKE KOBE (sorry!!)

He can't make Lakers championship last several years but he acts like the legend while others like Lebron Jame, Michael Jordan, Magic Johson, Dr J and so on never had that cockey attitude before.

And never "because" of Kobe and Lakers champion again. Lakers champion years ago because they got help from my big guy SHAQUILLE O'NEIL!!!! Without Shaq, Lakers don't win any champion anymore. Because of Kobe and Laker strong??? NO
KOBE is not much help for Lakers.

I really like SHAQ :)

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Originally Posted by StartX5 (Post 621707)

Out of millions Kobe-Haters out there you would be in the top 10. Houston to game 7 was a joke, that was intentional if you believe. They want to win it in L.A. Lebron is no where close to Kobe yet. Without a ring he is just another Tracy McGraddy. Wait until he accomplish what Kobe has with the Lakers (with or without Shaq) then we can compare. StartX5, you must be kidding me or you haven't watched NBA that long. "KOBE is not much help for the Lakers?' , take him out and you have a highschool basketball team. And how are they not consistent? Prove it. They went to the Finals last year and this year they are playing the West Finals and might be back in the Finals too. Is that consistent? they won 65 games, is that consistent? Lakers and Kobe haters just can't swallow the fact that they are that good and they can beat your team any day of the week. Take out K.G Boston is a joke.

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Originally Posted by StartX5 (Post 621621)

If Kevin Garnett played series with Orlando, Celtics was winning the series. I still love the way Celtics played in final last year.

I luv to see Kobe Bryan cries as he used to cry after lost game in final series vs. with Spur in LA years ago.
(I graduated from Temple University, i used to see Kobe entered building (illegal entrance because he's not Temple student) to play with Ed. Jone and Aaron McKey (the Owls and then Sixers)15,16 years ago. You see him in real life as teenager and you see him now you may don't like him. I like the Lakers but not Kobe.

Put Ron Artest or Shane Battier in place of Kobe, you will like the Lakers even more. Now its apples and oranges. They build the team around him for gods sake. He is NBA darling, imagine NBA lost him, that would cost them a lot.

Kobe is no where close to the amount of hangnails Lebron has chewed off.

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Originally Posted by NOVAX5 (Post 621726)

jaba, if only this were not the NBA playoffs thread i think your last 2 comments are brilliant. after double checked the thread title, i thought you really "took" your time to write them.

Don't get me wrong, I just wasn't too gungho about going into a heated debate like yourself. The lakers have drained the living s*** out of me emotionally this whole series with Houston.

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Originally Posted by NOVAX5 (Post 621742)

jaba, if only this were not the NBA playoffs thread i think your last 2 comments are brilliant. after double checked the thread title, i thought you really "took" your time to write them.

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Originally Posted by StartX5 (Post 621707)

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You may don't like what i feel for Kobe but the facts that you can't compare basketball vs. pop music like Michael Jackson.
Michael Jackson is the only one for pop at that time but there are many many great players who play better basketball than Kobe but they don't act like Kobe. Kobe attitude is horrible.

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So many debatable points you raise...and it seems perhaps you and i are watching a different era and parallel universe of pro basketball. Perhaps you know Kobe Bryant personally, perhaps he rubbed you the wrong way back at Temple...as i mentioned, if i don't know someone personally, in particular a celebrity, i will not pass judgement nor assume until i witness for myself. You'd be surprised how many other ballplayers, including the ones you just mentioned, past and present are really no different from Kobe, both on and off the court.

And M. Jackson was "not the only one for Pop music at that time".,.but that's a whole other topic...it was an analogy.

Kobe is a great basketball player. Lakers trying to build a team around him, but Lakers did not win championship with only Kobe [as key player and star]. They won championship few time before (vs. Sixer, Spur) when they got Shaq as a big center player and mastermind Phil Jackson.
It is true, I just don't like his personality.

With Shaq they won 3 straight championship from 1999-2002 seasons.
Without Shaq [only Kobe] they NEVER WON ANY CHAMPIONSHIP after 2002.

7 years in the row i think it's too much time to build a team around a player like Kobe
[as sport life time player]

In short, Kobe can't compare with Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Dr. J etc.
Under my eyes, he's around level of Tim Duncan, Karl Malone, Kevin Garnett, Iverson, Tracy McGraddy, Vince Carter etc.

Then what? See Kobe's cockiness. He is just another good player in NBA.

Let's see Jame Lebron, if the Cavs make it championship this year. Lebron is another great and huge player.

Is he really just another good player in the NBA? You should research the opinion of all the players you listed (Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Dr. J) and see what their opinion is of Kobe Bryant. Players don't bite their tongue about who got game on the court.

If you believe the man has a level of cockiness thats one thing. Lot's
of players have that going on.:D

Finally I'm not sure what you mean by "Let's see Jame Lebron, if the Cavs make it championship this year. Lebron is another great and huge player"
Perhaps you could clarify.....:confused:

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Originally Posted by StartX5 (Post 621761)

In short, Kobe can't compare with Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Dr. J etc.
Under my eyes, he's around level of Tim Duncan, Karl Malone, Kevin Garnett, Iverson, Tracy McGraddy, Vince Carter etc. Then what? See Kobe's cockiness. He is just another good player in NBA.

Let's see Jame Lebron, if the Cavs make it championship this year. Lebron is another great and huge player.

The thing that separates Kobe from LeBron, Magic, Jordan and Bird is that Kobe's play makes the team look better than it is. LeBron, Magic, Jordan and Bird make their teammates better players. Seriously, Who would Pippen be without Jordan, Divac without Magic... Scott without Bird... Mo Williams without LeBron?

Kobe is an awesome individual player, but he fails to make an equally awesome team player.