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Thunder22 06-17-2009 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner (Post 632141)
One warning: you go directly to him, without company knowledge, get ready for the harassment clause.

yup.

PersonaNonGrata 06-17-2009 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner (Post 632141)
One warning: you go directly to him, without company knowledge, get ready for the harassment clause.

I'm not sure how that could be harassment. He doesn't work for Laura so I'm not sure how his company being made aware of it first could lead to a claim of harassment. He makes sales call to her office. It would be akin to asking any visitor to her business to not refer to someone in an offensive tone or she could 86 them. Also, it's not a comment based on race, gender, religion, sexual preference, or some other identifiable trait or class.

Then again, I'm not in an environment where we're all hyper sensitive about harassment. We have rules but we're pretty much no holds barred in spite of them.

Wagner 06-17-2009 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PersonaNonGrata (Post 632155)
I'm not sure how that could be harassment. He doesn't work for Laura so I'm not sure how his company being made aware of it first could lead to a claim of harassment. He makes sales call to her office. It would be akin to asking any visitor to her business to not refer to someone in an offensive tone or she could 86 them. Also, it's not a comment based on race, gender, religion, sexual preference, or some other identifiable trait or class.

Then again, I'm not in an environment where we're all hyper sensitive about harassment. We have rules but we're pretty much no holds barred in spite of them.

I am :)

Very, very simply. He can claim anything he wants, it is his word vs hers and the company that employees him could easily state her harassment without due paperwork and historic trail of complaint to corporate was a bias one person account that in turn caused damage to the company and the individual. Very easy to claim via HR if the appropriate history isn't created. Report the issue to the company. If nothing changes, make a comment. Then at least you have a history of the issue. It is VERY simple to put notes in place that make it 'ok' to complain. But going directly to the source, who is not employed by you, is problematic.

Quicksilver 06-17-2009 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner (Post 632121)
I would go to the employer. I don't know the nature of the relationship, but I'd say contacting the 'home office' over the individual would be the way to go.

:iagree: I would pave the way by giving the guy credit for
all the good qualities he has. What a good salesman
he is what a nice person he is, ect ect.
Then say there is just one thing that concerns us and that is.....

B-Line 06-17-2009 01:34 PM

You don't know why he's bathing in it..

Maybe he's covering something else.. Like some really bad B.O. that is beyond his control.. So he figures, shower in cologne.

PersonaNonGrata 06-17-2009 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner (Post 632158)
I am :)

Very, very simply. He can claim anything he wants, it is his word vs hers and the company that employees him could easily state her harassment without due paperwork and historic trail of complaint to corporate was a bias one person account that in turn caused damage to the company and the individual. Very easy to claim via HR if the appropriate history isn't created. Report the issue to the company. If nothing changes, make a comment. Then at least you have a history of the issue. It is VERY simple to put notes in place that make it 'ok' to complain. But going directly to the source, who is not employed by you, is problematic.

You are so politically correct and so liberal! :nanana: I know you have to be in the corporate world. It sucks and it's stupid that anyone can complain about anything. I just don't see it as a true harassment thing like an race, religion, or gender thing. I think that a business owner should be able to tell whoever enters their business whatever they want. I would vote with my wallet. I also think that people are far too sensitive and should grow a skin. :tsk: It's just a shame that one person cannot approach another with good intentions and make a simple comment without fear of being sued.

Ultimately though, if he did complain and his company had a beef they would definitely lose a client quicker than he could say "Drakkar Noire".

realchef 06-17-2009 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by PersonaNonGrata (Post 632155)
I'm not sure how that could be harassment. He doesn't work for Laura so I'm not sure how his company being made aware of it first could lead to a claim of harassment. He makes sales call to her office. It would be akin to asking any visitor to her business to not refer to someone in an offensive tone or she could 86 them. Also, it's not a comment based on race, gender, religion, sexual preference, or some other identifiable trait or class.

Then again, I'm not in an environment where we're all hyper sensitive about harassment. We have rules but we're pretty much no holds barred in spite of them.

:iagree:

Also, isn't a non witnessed, non recorded, private conversation moot in an evidenciary situation? He said, she said?

E61Silver 06-17-2009 01:56 PM

[QUOTE=realchef;632140]
Cmyx5go, just pull him aside and tell him. No games or BS, just an honest comment in a friendly manner. He will thank you later.

:iagree:

cmyX6go 06-17-2009 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by realchef (Post 632140)
....

Cmyx5go, just pull him aside and tell him. No games or BS, just an honest comment in a friendly manner. He will thank you later.

This was my original thought. If I knew him better, I would. Me telling him would be more for him than me.

The business I did with his previous employer was pretty much auto-pilot. He'd just pop in every now and then. He has since changed jobs and is working for a company I've never done business with before and is trying to get set up as a new vendor. Actually, he was here about 6 months ago and never followed up. I don't know anyone within the company and I'm not sure I'm comfortable making a complaint. It's no skin off my back, but it's so damn offensive.

I never even thought of the harrassment side of it (which is bullshit! I hate this PC stuff) I guess I'll just keep my mouth shut and hope his follow up is as good as it was the last time :rolleyes: Or maybe he won't meet my criteria for becoming a new vendor. That's the ticket :D I own the joint, I can do that. :rofl:

FSETH 06-17-2009 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PersonaNonGrata (Post 632130)
No way! That stuff is illegal in nine countries. It smells like pure gasoline but 60% of the time, it works every time.

It's got real bits of panther in it...so you know it's good. :thumbup:

Seriously, just ask the guy how much he weighs, then ask if that number is before or after he puts on his cologne. See what he says.


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