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Thunder22 08-06-2009 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner (Post 648017)
Chevrolet and Cadillac should stay IMO, the rest can go.

Chevy, Cadillac and GMC.

Chevy gets the mainstream cars and Vette
Cadillac is the premium brand
Chevy/GMC gets the trucks

The problem is going to be that Buick is HUGE in Asia.

Meiac09 08-06-2009 05:58 PM

at least not ALL of the money went to Korea, and most of the cars are at the minimum domestically assembled.

Thunder22 08-13-2009 06:41 PM

Cars for clunkers hurts retail sales
 
Cars for clunkers hurts retail sales

As per CNBC:

Auto sales up 2.4%.
Retail sales down 8.4%

The consumer is now leveraged for future months as they have a car payment and higher insurance premium that they didn't have before.

E53is 08-13-2009 07:04 PM

dont care , go deutschland

RPX5 08-13-2009 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gresch (Post 648028)


The problem is going to be that Buick is HUGE in Asia.


Buick IS huge in Asia, when I was in China there were NICE looking buicks, not like the crappy looking ones around here. Also, when I was in Europe, I saw some really eye catching Fords, that was over a year ago, still only ugly Fords here in the states, anyone know why?

motordavid 08-13-2009 07:09 PM

Not surprised about the retail sales and, don't disagree that the CfC deal had some effect. This retail thing,
a huge part of GDP, is not coming back next week or, next month, or maybe even next Qtr.

Other than groceries, some school stuff for the kiddoes, and a few other normal replacement things, what the
hell "new" does someone need right now? A Slightly Saving/Scared Population, as opposed to the "buy it on CCs
and worry about it later" mode, is impacting retail sales, but the econ can't have it both ways, currently.

Thunder22 08-13-2009 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RPX5 (Post 650045)
Buick IS huge in Asia, when I was in China there were NICE looking buicks, not like the crappy looking ones around here. Also, when I was in Europe, I saw some really eye catching Fords, that was over a year ago, still only ugly Fords here in the states, anyone know why?

A couple of thoughts:

In Europe, the Fords and Opels and Vauxhalls are a lot smaller than their US cousins and the Big 3 don't think that they'll sell. In Europe, annual registrations are tied to the size of the engine, so the smaller the engine the lower the registration cost. A lot of Americans equate bigger cars with being safer, so the smaller Euro cars probably wouldn't sell. (With the exception of the hot rod 4banger turbos, but I don't know why those don't come over)

The safety and emissions regs in China are far less stringent than the US, and I think that limits bringing the exterior designs to the US, but that's just a guess.

RPX5 08-13-2009 07:40 PM

lol at 4 banger turbos.. good info and probably very true. I was looking at the A3, and I'm sure i suffer from the common misconception here in the states, but it just seemed like i would be crushed (if the bigger cars could catch me ;) that is).

X5Flyboy 08-14-2009 02:28 AM

I hope none of you went online to "cars.org" to find out any of this info. because if you accepted their term & security disclaimer, everything..., let me say that again, EVERYTHING on your computer, including the computer itself, BECOMES PART OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. All your info can be monitored, copied, audited and sent to DoT, CARS, investigative agencies (domestic AND foreign)

as seen on Glenn Beck, 31 July broadcast

dsm2925 08-16-2009 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by blondboinsd (Post 647935)
:iagree:

And driving a Pontiac rental car I can see why GM is bankrupt. The Vibe I'm driving has less than 1000 miles on it and already has transmission problems, spotty fit and finish and cheap paint. I miss my Jetta...

it has a toota powertrain- its a toyota matrix


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