Yeah, it drives me absolutely crazy.

I say eliminate these race/gender associations altogether or don't complain when you are personally eliminated from one based on the same criteria.

I agree with chilliwilli as well. Earn a spot on a team by proving it regardless of race/whatever or walk away.

Then I guess the first person that should apply this rule of thumb
is Mr. Don “Moose” Lewis. He's the one who said that “white basketball
players” are essentially shutout of conventional professional basketball
due to the growth of non-organized play on the court".

So if Mr. Lewis feels that players are being personally eliminated then
imo instead of complaining about it he should encourage players to do as
chilliwilli suggest. Earn a spot on a team by proving it regardless of race/whatever or walk away.

I agree. I personally think white people have every opportunity to excell at basketball in this country. I don't see how creating this league is going to help anything.

So you're against the Rooney Rule in the NFL then too?
:popcorn:

Some of the greatest players in the modern NCAA and NBA are white.

I was waiting for that one...

I am. If you are a good coach you will get the job. Not every caucasian NFL franchise owner is a racist. Some actually do want to hire the best coach and win games.

Althouth you asked this question to Quick, I'll take a stab at it.

The Rooney rule has its purpose. It is in place to ensure that teams at least consider minority coaches. It is not a mandate to hire or a quota system. Without the rule, we may not have had Lovie (2006 Super Bowl appearance), Lewis (2009 NFL Coach of the Year), and Tomlin (2009 Super Bowl Champion)... all who have proven to be good coaches (Not to mention Dungy who is not a product of the Rooney Rule). Sure, you have your Romeo Crennel's, but he had a terribel team to start with and was fired after 3 short years. However, as those coaches continue to succeed, there will be a day when the rule will not be necessary.

The Rooney rule has already become perfunctory as illustrated by Seattle's hiring of Pete Carrol. Everyone knew that Carrol would be Seattle's next coach, but they had to interview a minority candidate. Vikings defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier declined an opportunity to interview for the job because he knew that the session would merely represent an attempt to satisfy the rule that one minority candidate be interviewed.

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Sure, there are black organizations. I am a member of a historically black fraternity, but there are white, asian, middle-eastern and european members of the fraternity.

That is one example of one chapter of a fraternity. What about the numerous other African American specific organizations? Not saying other races aren't sprinkled in, but overall, eh... http://www.xoutpost.com/images/smilies/dunno.gif

No. That was fraternity wide.


No one said the league was racist... bigoted... but not racist. The league commissioner himself said he does not hate people of color. There is a difference. I try to chose my words carefully.

racist/bigoted = tomato/tomahto

There is a difference between racist and a bigot. For example, the tv character, Archie Bunker, is a bigot. Archie was portrayed as basically decent and, rather than being motivated by genuine malice, was merely a product of the era in which he had been raised. In the episode "Archie and the KKK," for example, Archie is invited to join a secret club - the Kweens Kouncil of Krusaders - which turns out to be a local chapter of the Klu Klux Klan. In spite of his inherent discomfort around people of color, Archie responds with genuine revulsion at the group's violent methods, and attempts to thwart a cross burning. It should also be noted that as the years went on, Archie grew more accepting of people different from himself, albeit partially out of necessity.

A racist is someone who has a genuine hatred and malice towards people of color/different race... i.e. George Wallace, former govenor of Alabama.


Its not about having a basketball league that is all white. They are free to do that. However, when the purpose of the league is to exclude non-whites and non-American born citizens that is where the problem lies.

I agree it is strange to exclude non-American born citizens, but at the end of the day, if their objective it to work on advancing white american men in the game of basketball (in their opinion) then I guess they have to state who they are focused on working with, right? They have to start somewhere. Maybe as time passes you would see a few minorities/non-U.S. born citizens sprinkled in? Who knows?

Having a white basketball league is not advancing themselves in the sport. Being excellent at the game does.

I'm still waiting to be able to get a grant from the United Caucasian College Fund, while we walk around campus calling each other names that only we're allowed to say amongst each other. :thumbup: