DailyTech - Reports: iPad 2 Doubles Resolution, Adds Dual Core CPU/Graphics

iPad 2 Features Dual-Core Graphics for Retina Display, Report Says - PCWorld

Please explain how an OS update that enables multi-tasking and printing (which should have been included in the original device) has anything whatsoever to do with whether or not an iPad has any worth. By that logic, ANY device that has its OS upgraded is now deemed worthwhile? :confused:

:popcorn:

Simple logic will tell you that OS updates allows a device to do more than it did before.

Even the best devices (Windows PCS) if that's your thing, when they first come out and as they progress in development don't do everything people want them to do and OS updates can provide additional needed functions.

So the answer to your statement is true. "By that logic, ANY device that has its OS upgraded is now deemed worthwhile would be correct. For those who needed the new features that the OS update provided then it indeed would be worthwhile and even worth buying.

But to help you better understand it's use why not check out post #201. I'm sure Owen Cain's family can tell you what it's worth.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/ny...owen.html?_r=2

I can sympathize with your feelings though. Where we differ is that while I have no need for Windows PC hardware and it's OS upgrades I understand that others may have that need and consider it worthwhile. so I don't bother arguing about the pros and cons of their needs no matter how many upgrades they've needed or will need. I just respect their need to make the decision regarding what is or isn't worthwhile. ;) And of course I don't require them to explain their need.....

You sure do have some fuzzy logic running around your head.

You stated that because the IOS was upgraded, that it's proof that the device is worthwhile.

There is no correlation between the two. And your response did nothing to support your statement. Can you please explain your statement without changing the topic?

Just found this thread. Have no clue where this conversation is currently at. I just got an iPad.(also have an iPhone 4) It's bang'en. Love it. I think it's the greatest thing to get into the living room since the snuggie blanket! lol.

An OS update that enables multi-tasking allows voice over and transport controls to be used via WIFI at the same time from a remote studio.

Ok, I see where the conversation is now.

Here's what I have to offer.....

Remember "windows vista" UPGRADE FLOP!!!!!! I got that POS and it was so much worse then before. I hate almost everything about Vista. Jack my PC all up.

I'm by no means the dude at the coffee shop with the thick black frame glasses typing away on his apple lap top, sipping a $6 cappa-frappa-what, just to look cool.

But I really can't think of much to complain about with apple products.(minus it can't run Flash player, but there is a reason for that so....) The user friendly lay out of apple is second to none. Hands down no contest.

No need to be insulting bro. The only fuzzy logic is your inability to understand the purpose of the iPad. I addressed the OS upgrade in my post but if your having difficulty understanding then i'm happy to end the conversation without further explanation. Perhaps someone else can help
you.

Have a good day sir :thumbup:

what is the purpose of the ipad? Is the ipad a worthless device since barry does NOT have one? Along the same line of logic if there are very good purposes, why do you not have one or why haven't you made the justification to get one?
:popcorn:

Hey, I found a purpose for the iPad! It frees up my Lenovo notebook for me to use.

My wife received one as a gift from one of her friends. She's now happily reading her e-books/newspaper and playing games and occasionally checking her email. Now I don't have to fight with her to use the Lenovo notebook at home. She still prefers to use a real keyboard (notebook or her BB Torch) when it comes to doing any typing. She hates how the iPad spins and wobbles around on a table because it's all curvy on the bottom. She also threatened to throw it out the window one night because it wouldn't stay powered off. It just kept booting up by itself.

So when I asked her if she liked it she said "it's nice...but I wouldn't pay more than $150 for one, I certainly wouldn't fork out $600 for it." She's now talking about selling the iPad when the BB Playbook comes out. :rolleyes: :rofl:

insulting? bro? huh?

I'm not incapable of understanding the purpose of the iPad, I understand it very well thank you.

What I don't understand is your statement that because Apple released an iOs upgrade that the iPad is now unquestionably a worthy device and I your follow up post did nothing to explain your point further.

Oh well, I guess we'll never know what you meant.


:thumbup::thumbup: Have a good day, bro.

I'm just trying to understand his point about the iOS upgrade and he got his knickers in a twist. Oh well. I should have known better than to ask.

bro.

If you understand what it's purpose it then why do you keep
asking as if you don't?

No one said it was an "unquestionably a worthy device" That's
you language. What I said is that an OS upgrade made the device
able to do things it could not do when it first came out. From
where I stand that makes it useful to a group of people who
may not have considered it because of it's limitations before the
OS upgrade.

I hope this clears it up.

Apple to unveil iOS 5 and iPad 2 March 2. - Long Island iPhone Games | Examiner.com

Rumor: Apple to add carbon fiber body to iPad 2 | iPad Atlas - CNET Reviews

iPad is just a fad. ;)

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Love the iPad! We'll be getting at least one of the new version.

I heard the ipad accessory suppliers already have size specs on new ipad. ;)
That's how the pic posted earlier leaked.

Yup, lots of cases and stuff have been floating around for a few months. "Some" iPad accessory manufacturers are too small to get any Apple love. :( Word on the street though, is that a certain wall mount company will be able to adapt quickly once a retail unit is in hand. If the rumors are true that it is the same size except the back is flat rather than rounded (a la iPhone 3G versus 4) then that wall mount product might work in its current design.

I have read that the overall size of ipad is reduced but the screen size has not, which only means the frame size must have reduced. See post #200.

I still can't figure out what the defined purpose and use of the iPad is.
Would someone please explain??? :rolleyes: :rofl:

Quick-

Look at it as a sort of tech/fashion accessory- it tells people you are hip, important and tech savy.

See? Glad I could help.

A

PS Prolly get one just to play with...

Hey smoking cigarettes was a fashion accessory. It used to tell people you were hip, important, cool. Not sure if that's still true these days....:dunno:

Wait, what? The iPad is like cigarettes? Does the Surgeon General know?

it tells people you want to be hip, important and tech savvy by spending money on something that has SOME capabilities of a regular computer or even smartphone...

;)

Apple iPad 2 Features: The Likely, the Unlikely and the Impossible - Mobile and Wireless - News & Reviews - eWeek.com

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6...ef35970c-800wi

Alright, after having one for a while. I travel alot and the reason I bought mine was to be able to watch movies on a bigger screen. And I enjoy reading, so I have a lot of books on it. Those are the two main reasons that I use it. One other is for work, we have a website that we log water analysis. And on the ipad it's easy, convenient and fits inside my test kit.

That being said, it will never replace my laptop. I am far more productive on the laptop than the ipad. They are two very different machines. I am not sure if we will ever figure out what the purpose is for the ipad.

My wife has had one for 2 months now. She still prefers using her BB Torch or the notebook for emails. She received several Hallmark e-cards via email and had to boot up the notebook in order to view them because the iPad choked on them. Deleting emails sometimes crashes the mail program.

Surfing the Web is a chore because keeping a WiFi connection is very spotty, and this is sitting 5 feet from the access point. Our 4 notebooks, 2 cell phones, Wii, XBox, Kobo reader and network printer have no issues with WiFi from anywhere the house.

She also prefers the Kobo for reading books. The iPad is too heavy to hold comfortably for an extended period in one hand. The iPad display is ok to read during the day but burns out the eyeballs at night, though using night mode on the Kobo app helps a bit. The Kobo reader's e-ink display is much easier on the eyes, day or night and is so much easier to hold and take with you.

For a while the kids used the iPad to play tap fish. All the fish are dead now and flushed because they lost interest.

So ruling out email, surfing the web, entertaining the kids and reading ebooks on the iPad leaves us with...playing Angry Birds.

I'll have to admit, the iPad is a good device to play Angry Birds. I finally cracked the top 200 on the scoreboard list on the weekend ;) You have to hold it down to play though as it spins on the table otherwise. Nice to see the them ditch the curved back in the new model. Who would have thought Apple bending to function over fashion.

What is the purpose of a iPad?

As far as I can tell it's a bigger iphone without the that pesky phone thing getting in the way (great way to fix the dropped call problem I must say, just eliminate the phone part) and a way for old people with failing eye sight to play angry birds on a bigger screen.

Jobs is a genius ;)

so does barry finally have a good reason to get one?? LOL

Nope not yet. I'm one of those fixed income retired bums.
I'm waiting for somebody to figure out how worthless it is and toss it.

I would rather get a new MacBook Pro

Still enjoy mine

Me too but I still love my iPad.

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I saw a lot of the video but heres some information from an article that caught my attention.

I’m especially intrigued by GarageBand. This iPad-only app (apparently both for iPad 1 and iPad 2) is not just a touch-screen-based port of the Mac version of GarageBand. It offers new touch instrument and smart instrument features. These promise to make playing music on an iPad incredibly easy, even for those with little or no musical background. Of course, you can also use GarageBand as a multi-track recording studio. Do a quick search of YouTube and you’ll find a wealth of videos showcasing the iPad as an impressive musical instrument. With GarageBand, it just gets better.

There are dozens of third-party music-playing and music-recording apps currently in the App Store. GarageBand will probably mean the end of many of these apps. Overall, this may prove to be a good thing. I prefer one app that does most or all of what I need for a specific task — rather than having to acquire a dozen apps and shifting among them.

As for connecting external instruments to GarageBand, Apple’s video on the iPad 2 shows an adapter for connecting a guitar. It’s not from Apple. It’s apparently the new Apogee JAM adapter, available March 31. JAM only works to connect electric guitars. While it’s made specifically for GarageBand, Apogee says it will work with “other iOS compatible music and guitar applications” including ones that run on an iPhone or iPod touch.

Can we expect other adapters for connecting other instruments, such as digital pianos, to the iPad? I would guess yes, but have seen no announcements as yet.

My choice so far has me leaning for the WiFi model, no 3G

The iPad (2) Scores Again | Ted Landau's User Friendly View | The Mac Observer

Looking at the chart posted above it looks like the Motorola is on similar grounds as the iPad2, and both are above the other three... But the motorola is actually more expensive than the apple.

Anyone want to start a pool on when google jumps up and makes the android system full scale and makes their own PC?

you're not comparing apples to apples. there's no wifi only xoom yet. there will be. also, xoom has 32G. The 32G iPad is $599. so price was it'll be pretty close. xoom blows the ipad 2 on specs. of course that doesn't mean anything. i'll wait for the pricing on the wifi xoom and make my decision. i do like the facetime which i can use with my macbook air.

this article goes with the chart above.

Judged on specs alone, the Apple iPad 2 doesn't do much more than keep pace with its tablet rivals. It's a bit thinner that its major rivals--the Motorola Xoom, the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1, the HP TouchPad, and the RIM BlackBerry PlayBook--and it's lighter than most. But its processor appears to be on a par with those of other tablets, and its cameras' resolutions seem to be lower.

Of course, people don't buy tablets based on specs alone. The iPad 2 will carry a base price ($499) that no major competitor has managed to match; it will come with a new version of iOS, a mobile operating system that many people prefer; and owners will have access to vastly more apps than are available for any other tablet. Plus, Steve Jobs promised that the iPad 2 would ship on March 11. Of the competing tablets we looked at, only the Xoom is already shipping. There are no hard availability dates for the other competitors.

Apple has shaved off a third of the thickness of the original iPad in the iPad 2, making it the thinnest tablet in this comparison.

At 1.35 pounds, the iPad 2 is also lighter, on a par with Samsung's Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablet as the lightest of the roughly 10-inch-screen tablets. Motorola's Xoom and HP's TouchPad are slightly heavier at 1.6 pounds.

Apple didn't change the display of the iPad 2: As on the original iPad, it has a 1024-by-768-pixel resolution and a 9.7-inch size (same as the TouchPad). The Android tablets from Motorola and Samsung have 10.1-inch screens with 1280-by-800-pixel resolution.

The iPad 2 will have the largest available built-in storage (64GB), but the Xoom probably trumps that advantage by providing 32GB of internal storage plus expandable storage via an SD Card in a future software update.

The iPad 2 is also stronger under the hood. It packs an Apple A5 dual-core 1GHz processor, putting it on the same level with all of the other tablets in the comparison except the TouchPad, which will have a 1.2GHz dual-core processor (the fastest pure clock speed of this comparison). Of course, clock speed and number of cores don't in themselves determine how fast a tablet is or how well it manages power. That determination will require side-by-side testing.

Apple isn't saying how much RAM the iPad 2 contains (the original had 256MB, some are speculating that the new version has at least 512MB), but the Xoom, the TouchPad, and the BlackBerry PlayBook have 1GB of RAM inside.

The iPad needed front- and rear-facing cameras to keep pace with the competition, so Apple added a front-facing camera for video calling and a second camera on the back. Apple didn't specify the megapixel count of the back-facing camera, beyond saying that it records 720p HD video. Nevertheless, even with the new additions, Apple appears to trail in megapixel count, especially when matched against the Galaxy Tab 10.1's 2-megapixel and 8-megapixel cameras.

Apple has improved the speaker on the iPad 2, introducing a larger, wider grill. But all of its rivals have stereo speakers.

The iPad 2 will come in two separate 3G models--one for Verizon and the other for AT&T--alongside the Wi-Fi-only model. Both the Xoom and the Galaxy Tab will come only in a 3G version initially, with Wi-Fi only versions to follow. For its part, the TouchPad will come only with Wi-Fi support at the beginning, with 3G versions to follow.

The Xoom will soon be the only 4G tablet, however. Motorola has said that the Xoom can receive a free 4G radio update soon

It sure seems like they charge a lot for 3G. I think I would rather use my Droid X as a hot spot.

and it's free using wifi tether. which is why i would never get a 3g/4g tablet. i already have my phone for internet.

I just updated my iPhone and iPad to iOS 4.2.1, and then jailbroke them, I'm happier than ever with these things.

Excellent points Alex! :thumbup:

Agreed :cool:

65,000+ iPad specific Apps, case closed! Oh, just sit that new iPad2 next to any competitor and see which one you want to hold!

Let's add number of apps available specific to the tablet, dimensions, design, support, and total apps available for download shall we :)

That will change in not too distant future. Trust me. iPhone is already loosing market to Androids (Attack of clones). 1 to 5 is the latest stat I believe.

-A longtime iPhone user :)

If you really believe that, then buy Motorola stock, oops, down 10% after iPad2 announcement. No one can beat the iPad 2's hardware and price, and NO ONE can even attempt to catch up to the App store. The App store defines WHAT you can do on an iPad. Never forget the ecosystem! BTW, 16:9 is great for movies, but for everything else, it makes no sense. Do yourself a favor next weekend, go to Best Buy and hold both in your hands, then write back and let me know what you think :)

Sure it will change silly. App store will increase to 70,000+ iPad specific apps, and Android will increase to 250+ :rofl:. Your stats on market share are pre Verizon BTW :nanana:

Exactly!
Let's look at the "sell through" numbers once released in a few months. iPad is expected to sell 40 million units this year. Moto sell in was only 200k units, but sell through was a hell of a lot lower.

:wow: Easy bro....just posting a link and articles does not mean that I prefer Xoom over iPad. Just promoting discussion. Greggie getting defensive. :D

Just educating the ignorant. Not you, just the average consumer ;)

You could say that :)

Exactly, use at your own
Risk!

looking at the stock is dumb argument... I own both and both have their strong points and I use it for different reasons. BTW, support? I have had my ipad 3g replaced twice already.

Hmmmm Wonder what Market Watch has to say about all of this?
Motorola shares sink as iPad 2 wows analysts - MarketWatch

who cares what marketwatch says.. it's what First Call/Thomson culmination of analyst ratings and how they perform against expected that matters.

70,000 apps sure, but how many of those are crap and dupes of other apps or slight variations?

Quality vs Quantity has to be considered. Does the app store really need 100 apps for checking the weather? or a gun app that lets you "shoot" other people?
I'm not saying that the android or bberry app stores are equal to the apple store, but seriously, there is a lot of redundancy.

Doctor heal thyself ;)

Having tested the HP Slate, Xoom, ipad and a playbook, your statement of "no one can beat the ipad 2's hardware and price" is ridiculous.

Maybe in the way that YOU use your ipad, but such a blanket statement is shortsighted.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20022324-37.html

From one article:

Sometimes you have to tip your hat at your opponent and tell them, "Well played." Usually, however, those or similar words of mutual respect are saved for after the fight, when there's a clear winner and loser. Samsung isn't waiting. With Apple having announced its iPad 2 on March 2, Samsung had some things to say about Cupertino's next generation tablet, essentially admitting that Apple once again has set the bar and it's not going to be easy to hurdle.

Personally i'm looking forward to Rims product. As far as pricing? Although RIM has kept mum on pricing, CNET Senior Editor Donald Bell speculates that the PlayBook could start at $500 and cost up to $1,000, if unsubsidized by a carrier. But since it hasn't arrived like it or not Apple is still the leader.


Read more: Everything we know about the BlackBerry PlayBook | Crave - CNET

Edit: Just ran across this today: RIM's chief marketing officer resigns -- Engadget

Why Nobody Can Match the iPad’s Price | Gadget Lab | Wired.com
The one big reason why iPad rivals can't compete on price | TechRepublic
Samsung to Rethink the Galaxy Tab 10.1′s Cost Due to iPad Launch | Android Phone Fans
Maximum PC | Samsung: iPad 2 Will be Tough to Beat

Apple has a clear lead in the Pad segment and the Ipod 2 seems to offer a number of refinements and improvements.

I am sure that with time the others may catch-up. If I was going to buy one today the Ipod 2 for $500 seems like the way to go but I still don't see a need unless you travel or commute on mass transit. I guess you could bring one to business meeting. It would be good for a senior that just wants to check email and play games. Over time the Pad has grown in purpose and use. I still think a large segment of Pad buyers have it to be cool.

Ipod2??? what are you in the early 2000's???? Pad segment? I think your tampon is wedged up your ass too far... :bustingup:nanana:

Wow, what do you really think? :rofl:

You "tested" iPad1, now go test iPad2, and write back.

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it not out yet dumbass and btw greg, if you really know anything you would know that companies that people who run corporate IT do get to test the devices for usability, functionality, security etc in a POC process and yes they also do get engineering support from said companies such as apple, motorola, HP etc... in other words, they do know the ins and out of the product during testing since these will be thin clients or edge devices they have integrate and provide to users... If I were you, I would just cut it because you are starting to sound more ignorant as you fanboi a product that's not out.. Are you even buying one????

That's a good start, at least you know what you're afflicted with :)

Really? I didn't know that :dunno:. Duh, test it after March 11th. Josh, easy on the name calling, it just shows your immaturity!

Not me, you :nanana:

calling like it is. DUMBASS.

Yes, I'm buying one on Friday!!!!!!

and do you even own an android tablet??? 70,000 apps? Most of those are garbage... what about flash support??? you can't even surf the BMWUSA site. The hardware is superior??? they come from mostly the same suppliers outside of the custom A5 chip which is to apple's specs... I can go on and on..

btw.. you are "buying" one or you already "bought" one??? don't tell me, you didn't pre-order and will sit your butt at the apple store???

I'm curious how you know so much about the iPad2 considering that it's not even released yet. :popcorn:

Do you have one? How do you know that any Apple product is better or worse than any other manufacturer other than what you read or are told to say?

When was the last time you had a slate, xoom, playbook or any other iPad competitor in your hands? I'll bet the answer is never.

I'm talking about my own experiences and opinions after having used and tested each of the products, which is more than I can say for you and some of the other fanbois on here.

Let me know when the iPad2 is released to the general public (considering Mr. Jobs won't allow any to be evaluated before then) and we'll take a look.

If it's like the iPad1, it won't be making it onto the approved device list at my company, that's for certain. (Not until there is security software like BES)

Name calling just shows your lack of an educated argument. Instead of providing a meaningful counterpoint, you just spout off silly and immature name calling. I expect that from you. No surprise here.

Let me get this straight, you're calling me ignorant about IT? I've got 25 years in the business. What's your claim to fame? Oh that's right, I remember where you work now, yeah, you really stack up.... :rolleyes: but it sure does explain why you're the uber-fanboi now doesn't it.

That pretty much sums it up. Our end user computing group sees new devices months before they're available for general release (with the exception of Apple products)

look where your maturity got you in life.. :confused:

meaningful counterpoints you won't even begin to understand because you're not in the industry and I provide the hardware to test/dev these products before they are released. Like I said, own both...

Wait... what????

Didn't you just call me, and everyone who disagrees with you "ignorant"?

Not only that, didn't you insinuate that I never tested anything, i.e. calling me a liar?

Considering that you like definitions so much, here's one for you?

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You guys crack me up, thanks for the entertainment today :rofl:

oh that's your educated response???? what did you do, stay at a holiday inn???

Nice "attempt" at bowing out gracefully, I guess you had enough of looking ignorant. :rolleyes:

non-fanbois: 1
fanbois: 0

Btw- Nice to see a mod calling members ignorant, way to stay classy.

Here's a cookie:

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I'll save that cookie until iPad 3 comes out if I were him.. ;)

:iagree: He just likes telling others to hold iPad in their hands.

Do you own iPad1, Greg?

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btw Greg.. just tell us your agenda??? :nanana:

"ignorant" is simply lacking knowledge. nothing more.

Yes I do.

See my prior post about being a hypocrite. Your knowledge is about as deep as a puddle.

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Waiting..... :whistle:

He may care soon according to this article: Android Tablet Market Share Surged In Q4; iPad Under Attack

"Apple’s volumes will continue to go up, but market share will inevitably go down," Mawston said in an interview. "Even at $500 retail, based on some of the research we've done, that’s probably two or three times more than what most mass market consumers are expecting to pay...If you were to ask me in two years time, will Apple have less than 50 percent of the global tablet market, I think that’s a certainty."

The iPad has already lost close to 20% of the market share in the last 3 months. It's just a matter of time as more people base their buying decisions on 1st hand experience rather than Internet debates and media hype.

My daughter's school purchased 20 iPads when it fist came out hoping to give the students that "magical" experience Steve Jobs promised. The idea was to have a mobile computing cart that they would wheel into classrooms so that the students could use them on projects. The first time they tried using it was a massive failure. The research they were assigned for their project couldn't be done because the web sites they needed to use were based on Flash. They wasted an entire class trying to get it to work before they realized the problem. Now they have a cart of 30 Toshiba laptops instead, spending less money than the original 20 iPads.

I have no doubt the iPad 2 will be a success. There will always be a core group of loyal Apple customers that buy based on subjective reasons.

2 people? Try 24,000 people in my company, and there are 3x that in SANGuru's.
That being said, do you think that my company is unique? No other company has any security concerns? I'm sure Mr. Jobs would love to triple the sales of his beloved devices, don't you? Or do you think he's satisfied and ready to just close shop based on past sales?

Sounds like you and Supergreg have the same technology background. :rolleyes:

For what? Someone else to make a comment so that you continue to ride the fence and claim you have no skin in the game? yeah, that's what i thought :) :yawn:

Waiting for the IT experts to educate the masses...... :nanana: Please proceed;)

It's like showing a picture to a blind man.... why bother. :nanana: :rolleyes:

As an IT professional surley you must have a program to educate the blind. The iPad certainly does. In fact there is no barrier to blind folks using the Apple iPads touch screen. Would you believe that security doesn't even factor into it's use. I guess Apple thought it was important enough to bother.

In fact; The Apple iPad is one hundred percent accessible straight out of the box. Like many other products that require the blind to install third-party software in order to use them successfully, which requires more money to be spent, the iPad has Voiceover technology integrated into the device that enables all aspects of the iPad to be utilized.

Still standing by your statement "It's a solution in search of a problem"?
Man this is fun. Hope your smiling?

Article sounds like BS...There are always groups of people staying loyal to a certain product...iPad 2 will be no different.

Of course competition will be higher now, since people have more options to choose from... Like it or not the iPad may not be the best one out there, but it seems it is still the one to beat...

Let's get this thread back on track, please. No more name calling or personal stuff. We've got a lot of knowledgeable guys and valid opinions here and I'd actually like to hear what they have to say and not have it reduced to a bashfest.

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Chuck Norris FTW!

Awesome!

Okay kids, if you can't play nice you'll be sent to your rooms without your iPads (and/or other tablets) for the night. ;)



The ORIGINAL tablet :D (not as good for porn as the iPad?)

Sweet :rofl: :thumbup:

Order placed at 12:55am for two 32GB iPad2s. :D

Apple announced that online sales would start at 1:00am PST but we were clicking away at 12:50am. Some Apple fanbois will be all torqued about the early start. :rofl:

Any news on the BMW iPad holder. It's supposed to be out this month but I havent heard any updates. I am also wondering which version it will support.

You will LOVE it, using mine now :P

Do you still have your old one?

Nope, sold :)

Motorola Xoom versus the iPad 2 --- the Xoom is a clear winner - Computerworld Blogs

Apple iPad 2 vs. Motorola Xoom

Tablet Throwdown: iPad 2 vs. The Xoom, Playbook, and TouchPad | TechnoBuffalo

XOOM vs. iPad vs. iPad 2 | ZDNet

Is that why you are a hater?

Seriously dude? You really want to keep coming at me?

Give it a rest. You have no clue. :rolleyes:

(I have an iPad and a Macbook pro)

Being crticial of something does not mean "hate", but then again, why am I bothering to explain it to you, it's like singing a song to a deaf man.

You mean like Windows XP in 2001?

Nice job though, it only took you a year to come up with an example of a use for an ipad beyond surfing and as a bigger iPhone.

I believe we are talking about the iPad correct? Not XP 2001.

If you are talking Windows Eye's for $895.00? Nice job. You just suggested a program that cost more than the iPad. No wonder the Blind are ecstatic to get their hands on an intuitive iPad. :rofl:

I did find some information regarding how the ipad has and will shape the future for the blind. This is just one of the few uses I've highlighted that the iPad can be used for. Of course it will not be be everyone.

The fact that your company has provided you with the hardware to test I believe is an indicator of the iPad's importance. Why not tell us what your testing involves and what some of the results have shown.

The iPad could be the best mobile accessibility device on the market

once again you show your serious lack of IT knowledge.

Look up Windows Speech Recognition Engine (SRE) for Windows Xp Barry. :rolleyes: It's free. :rolleyes:

And yes, the thread is about the ipad, but you insinuated that its technology is new and unique, when it is clearly not, in fact speech recognition has been available as part of Windows for a long time.

Your "belief" that because something is tested is a sign of its importance is also misguided. All kinds of technology are evaluated by companies every day, it has nothing to do with importance but rather "suitability for task" and "completeness".

Educate yourself on VDI, data security and device security if you want, and then we can discuss testing results. Or I can just tell you now that it's not suitable for task yet.

And just for the record.... speech recognition and screen readers have been available for the blind on Windows since Windows 98.

COMPUTER PRODUCTS AND PUBLICATIONS FOR THE BLIND AND VISUALLY IMPAIRED

All that you say may be true. Some of it may be free but some of it cost exactly what I quoted. Remember though not everyone cares about IT knowledge or it's implementation regarding VDI, data security and device security. The average joe just wants a device that works simply, easily and without complications and apparently what you describe isn't the most intuitive platform available for the Blind.

If you had read the information I provided and additional information thats available perhaps you would admit that when people see the way new hardware and software is being brought to the general public then even you would have to admit that the way it is being used and the devices that are being used to run it "is new and unique".

What may be required for IT professionals is to simplify their viewpoint to understand what the public views as "new and unique". Common people don't spend their time looking at changes in technology from an IT perspective and honestly I don't think the average persons cares. So my suggestion to anyone who may be stuck in the IT closet is to try to see and understand what people in general are getting at when they say from their perspective that something is "is new and unique"

Regarding your comment "once again you show your serious lack of IT knowledge." I don't think I made any effort to impress anyone with whatever IT knowledge I may have. All I'm respectfully asking is that you consider that the opinions of others regarding the use of this technology for the everyday person. Many of my friends who have been in IT for well over 20 years see the future as heading in the consumer direction (hence the iPad debate).They understand the necessity of a broadened perspective regarding how to view where technology is headed. In that regard may I suggest that you give this article i've posted another read and see if you can find something positive about the way this technology (the iPad in this case) is being presented and share those positive comments in this thread. :thumbup:

The iPad could be the best mobile accessibility device on the market



Like many people who are into IT they forget what the average person would
like to accomplish

Jeez, one would usually need to visit the politics forum to find this type of heated, two sided argument.... :popcorn:

Anyone here willing to ship a BLACK AT&T iPad 2 3G 64Gb to a poor Canadian who doesn't want to wait 'til the end of March (if we're lucky)? PM me if you'd be willing to do that for a fellow Apple fanboy!

Ok so can you address the questions on this thread:

http://www.xoutpost.com/off-topic/lo...ter-why-2.html

Doesn't Apple have a remote computer access system/program, wonder if it works with the Pad? I bet the IT guys would know?

Also doesn't Office 2011 for Mac have a lot of "cloud" functionality?

If you were a true fanboy you'd fly down to get one yourself. :nanana: I know someone in my office who did just that when the iPad came first out. He's sold it now and bought a MBA. When i asked him why he didn't fly down to buy the iPad 2 he reluctantly admitted to me that it wasn't nearly as useful as his MBA and that he wouldn't be buying another iPad. At least he's an honest fanboy. ;)

All good points Quick. These guys don't have a leg to stand on!
They are just trying to get attention! Ignore them. The final sales numbers will be the proof! Be patient and watch their opinions crumble before them! I'll circle back to this thread after all is said and done :).
Next...?
Out...

I have no doubt that they will sell a lot of them. But proof of what? That fans have lots of brand loyalty? That it is a high quality product that everyone should own? That it is useful?

If sales numbers indicated quality, McDonalds would have Michelin stars.

If sales numbers indicated utility, the Pet Rock never would have sold.

So maybe it is brand loyalty.

I love my iPad and will love my iPad 2 just as much or more. It is a wonderful convenience tool for me. I use it mostly to surf the Internet, e-mail, play games, watch movies, utilize some apps, and it all comes in a terrifically slick and portable package. I really like not having to pack a laptop for travel as I travel mostly for leisure and don't need computing power but do need connectivity. I can however, do word processing, spreadsheets, and presentations with Apple Pages, Numbers, and Keynote, respectively. I am now far more likely to grab my iPad to take with me when visiting friends or just going out really. I can show photos and videos to friends when we visit whereas I don't want to lug a laptop with me. I don't expect it to replace any of my multiple computers, I don't use it at work, and don't think it will render the full function computer irrelevant.

I admit I love the looks, the feel, the cool factor and I could do more with my MB but after having my iPad for about a year, I am hooked. I also have an iPhone 4 so it could be argued that I don't need a "giant iPhone" but they do serve different purposes. The iPhone 4 is great for web browsing but it's still too small to do that for prolonged periods of time. That's where the iPad can come in.

Corporate America and IT professionals might not ever adopt or approve iPads/tablets for use in those environments but that's okay. Not everyone is in those environments. I just enjoy the heck out of mine and tens of millions of others do too. I don't make too much of it all.

Mine was great for watching movies on the plane.

Crammed into the cheap seats there's no way I could open up a laptop.

I actually seriously considered driving down to Plattsburgh, NY from Quebec City to get one at Target or Walmart but I chickened out when I considered the possibility that they might be sold out when I got there (it's an 8-hour round-trip after all).

If there's one thing I despise about Apple it's that they will announce a product 2-4 weeks before the actual launch date in the US and then they make us Canucks wait another 2-4 weeks before we can get our hands on their new shiny toys.

Well, as they say, the reward of patience is patience...

It's not just Apple or Apple products, it's that way for just about everything.

Yeah but I don't care about anything else! :rofl:

A lot of iPads are left behind in seat pockets....lost forever. ....hear that all the time from people.

^ so who gets to keep them?

could be anyone...the next passenger in that seat..or the janitor who cleans the plane. ;)

Another possible reason to get an ipad ...for the old fogies on here :stickpoke


“I think using the iPad could help keep dementia at bay,” he said. “Trying new things like that is a good mental exercise.”

This Is Your Grandfather's IPad as Japan Elderly Embrace Apple - Bloomberg

I believe it... but seriously if you forget to check your seat pocket before you leave the plane you deserve to lose it :rofl:

A while back, Quicksilver posted about a boy with developmental issues who's only "breakthrough" came with an iPad. We contacted the journalist who in turn put us in touch with Owen's mother. We sent them a mounting system we make for the iPad because we were so impressed with how a "pointless device" could enrich this little boy's life and we wanted to help out.

Owen Cain's story

Hmmmm. You misspelled fogeys, and while we're at it let's make sure we understand the
definition of Fogie which is "a person, typically an old one, who is considered to be
old-fashioned or conservative in attitude or tastes."

With that definition in mind You better hope that at 95 years old you can still walk let alone
be willing to embrace new technology which by the way Yasuda is busy doing. :nanana:

Hmmmm.... nope, I didn't :nanana:

fogey(fo·gey)
noun (plural fogeys or fogies)
definition of fogey from Oxford Dictionaries Online


..no harm meant with the fogey reference .......so, put yer jacket back on and yer cane down....jest a little (light) tickle in the ribs.

Yasuda is obviously the anti-fogey (made-up word to save ya lookin' it up :nanana:) - the point that I was making. ;)

Cane? you gotta be kidding me. I'm looking to shoot my next music video on an iPad.
This Music Video Was Shot Entirely On An iPad 2 :: App Advice

I guess the iPad is no longer "A solution in search of a problem" ...:thumbup:

You're kidding? Right???

We all know the cameras in the iPad 2 are sub-par. My compact Samsung camera, that can shoot full HD, could have shot a better video (in the hands of a better videographer than I).

"Watch the Video". I never made a shouting claim about camera quality.
Just pointing out what the iPad was used for so "NO" i'm not kidding.

As another one of the 'IT professionals' on this forum, I had meant to avoid posting in this thread as it became an inane thread pretty quickly. I'll try to refrain from commenting again...

Hey don't refrain......

Join in the fun as an average person not an IT professional. Some of my IT professional friends have them and have a lot of fun with them. We know about the technical limitations it has but some of us around here are just having a lot of fun talking about consumer use of the device. Nobody (including me) is taking the subject seriously. I don't even own one but i'm having fun talking about it.

I find it interesting some of the uses people are coming up with to use the device. Shooting that video is just one of those uses. Sure there are better cameras, and better people that can do videos but that's not the point. IMO watching the creative way it can and will be used over time is very interesting and enjoyable.

Loving my iPad 2. It is damn slick. Web browsing is improved and the form factor feels good. The smart cover is so inventive and convenient. So far I've been web browsing, e-mailing, Face Time in full screen is nice, and various fun apps. :thumbup:

PNG, did you have WiFi issues with your old iPad? If so, has it improved with the iPad 2?

iPad 2 I great. I've sold 3 on eBay and love mine. Wifi issues have improved. http://184.72.239.143/mu/18094a29-d59c-c73f.jpg


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I never really did. There was supposedly an update or improvement in one of the iOS updates. Even before that, my WiFi never didn't work. Signal strength appeared to get better with the update.

The iPad 2 has been great. The A5 chip is noticeably faster. I know we're not talking about a full out computer and processing massive files in Adobe Illustrator but it is zippier than the 1, which wasn't bad.

Honestly, my iPad 1 is still pretty great. I would have been happy with it but I "had" to upgrade. ;)

The only way you can have one is if you purchase a 109 dollar Best Buy protection plan?

Best Buy Extorts Would-Be iPad 2 Owner Into Buying Rip-Off Protection Plan | Cult of Mac

SK Telecom and KT, the country’s top carriers, have been forced to suspend online sales of the device...

iPad Sales Suspended

;)

It's just crazy how hot these things are. Demand is insane. I believe there is still a two or three week wait for online orders from Apple. I've seen people still lining up pre-opening at my local Apple Store in hopes of snagging one that just happen to come in.

I'm glad we got ours right out of the gate. :thumbup:

iPad 3 Rumor Roundup

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iPad 3 Rumor Roundup: New Display Tech, Lots of Contradictions | Gadget Lab | Wired.com

Next year, Apple will unveil its iPad 3. Only an event of apocalyptic proportions would prevent the tablet’s release. History tells us we can expect iPad 3 sometime in the first quarter — but exactly when? And will it include a retina display? And will there be two different models?

If you enjoy your New Year’s Eve cocktails with an extra shot of speculation, check out our iPad 3 rumor and report roundup below. We didn’t originate these stories, folks. We’re just bundling them up in one tidy little package for your own scrutiny and reality-checking.

The Hardware: What Are the Rumored Specs?

* The iPad 3 could be 4G and use Qualcomm’s LTE Gobi 4000 chip, according to CNET. Apple uses Qualcomm to supply the 3G chips in its iPhones. Digitimes says the new tablet is also expected to use a quad-core A6 processor, an upgrade from the A5 in the iPad 2 and iPhone 4S.
*A “retina display”-level screen is expected to finally arrive on the iPad with Apple’s next launch. The 9.7-inch display is expected to boast a 2048×1536 resolution, according to DisplaySearch analyst Richard Shim.
* The display is also expected to utilize a different kind of technology than past iPads: indium gallium zinc oxide (IGZO) — this in order to increase resolution to full HD. Jefferies analyst Peter Mizek suggested Apple would be using a modified version of IGZO, as this technology would allow the device to be thinner since it wouldn’t need dual-bar LED backlighting.
* iLounge, on the other hand, expects the iPad 3 to be “modestly thicker” (0.7 mm) than its predecessor.
*The Wall Street Journal reported in November that Sharp would be making the displays for Apple’s next-generation iPad (and that Sharp already supplies displays for iPhones). Digitimes says that both Sharp and Samsung will be producing the high-resolution displays, whose dimensions are the same as the iPad 2’s.
iPad 3 could have up to a 14,000 mAh battery, says Digitimes.

ETA: When Will It Be Announced — and Delivered for Sale?

A November 18 Digitimes report suggested iPad 3 units will start being assembled at Foxconn in January.
As of December 12, though, Digitimes was reporting Apple’s next iPad could land in March or April. Components are, reportedly, already being delivered to the factory, pegging the launch at three to four months away, Digitimes wrote. Seeing as the last iPad made its debut in early March, this does seem reasonable.
Although it wouldn’t be available for the masses until spring, we could get a glimpse at the iPad 3 as soon as January, according to iLounge and Digitimes. Loop Insight’s Jim Dalrymple said that rumor is “completely false,” though. We won’t be seeing the next iPad at MacWorld in January (or CES, for that matter), according to his contacts.

Iterations: Will There Be More Than One iPad 3?

Apple has been toying with a 7.85-inch display panel, according to a November Digitimes report, fueling rumors that we could be seeing an iPad “mini” debut alongside a full-sized iPad.
Nope, never mind, Digitimes retracted all that iPad Mini stuff, but still expects two new iPads will be announced. Both will feature QXGA resolution (again, that’s 2,048×1,536), but one version will be high-end and the other will be targeted at the mid-range market. The existing iPad 2 would battle in the low-end market against the popular Amazon Kindle Fire tablet. The higher-end model will feature an 8-megapixel camera, while the middle-range model would sport a 5-megapixel camera.

Based on the number of contradictory reports floating around, and the accuracy of iPhone and iPad rumors in the past, one thing is pretty clear: Nobody really knows what to expect of Apple’s next big iDevice until it actually launches.

But the iPad 3 is coming, and it’s sure to steal the hearts of Apple fanboys, and stoke the fury of Apple critics.

iPad 3: What We Know So Far | PCWorld

iPad 3 may be released on Steve Jobs birthday in February according to some rumors.

iPad 3 face recognition

Steve Jobs was biggest opponent of smaller size iPad. With Steve gone and competition from the likes of Kindle fire and Nook, Apple may release a mini iPad.

Mini iPad size vs. regular iPad and iPhone -> http://cdn.macrumors.com/downloads/i...i/iPadMini.pdf

iPad 3 will also be facing competition from Google.

iPad 3 production begins, iPhone takes UK top spot - Computerworld Blogs

Samsung also offering competition, although Blackberry/RIM may be heading for grave, if their board does not change company's direction, according to some analysts.

BlackBerry delay darkens RIM's future | Reuters

BlackBerry Delay, Weak Sales Weigh On RIM's Future - WSJ.com

Computerworld - The U.S. Air Force is planning to buy as many as 18,000 tablet computers to serve as "electronic flight bags" that will replace the paper manuals and documents that air crews use today.

Uncle Sam wants iPads, and maybe Androids - Computerworld

Already some airlines have moved to iPads. Big savings in gas. I have seen those flight manuals and those are freakin heavy. The demand will only go up on these tablets.

This thread started January 2010 with some interesting comments about
this product. Now that the product is in full swing it would be interesting
to see some comments about it now.

I guess it's safe to say that the iPad is no longer "a solution in search of a problem".
My not having one is going to be solved in short order. I think I might get the whole package.
A New Macbook Pro and an iPad 3 when it comes out. How's that for a Mac addict?.....:thumbup:

Way to go Apple and Steve Jobs.
Blackberry has been dethroned in enterprise market by Apple and may not survive in another few years.

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I couldn't see the point two years ago. My X200 Thinkpad handled all my portable computing requirements just fine.

Flash forward two years. I got an iPad 2 32 gb (no 3g) for a Christmas present. It is a nice toy. I use it for reading blogs and forums, but not posting. The touch keyboard is too frustrating, and if I wanted to use a portable keyboard with it I would just use the laptop, since the advantages of the small form factor evaporate. I check hockey scores and news with a free app, check the weather using a free app, and do Sudoku puzzles. So it has partly replaced the daily newspaper, which we still subscribe to. It has been used for Facetime calls with family a couple of times, until we got tired of the novelty and went back to telephones. I use it as an e reader, and I like it for that, since it is backlit and I don't need a reading light on. I had my email set up on it, but have uninstalled that, it was too much trouble.

Pretty neat little device, and an elegant design, but it is one of four computers and three smart phones in the house, between two of us, so its use is really limited to those times I would otherwise be holding a newspaper, book, or magazine. I think of it as a uni-directional web appliance.

By coincidence, when I started a new job around Christmas I was issued an iPhone 4s, not that I asked for one. I had a perfectly good personal Blackberry Bold, and was used to it. The iPhone has represented a rather steep learning curve, but it works fine, is better for web surfing, and worse for phone calls. I don't have any reason to put music or photos on it, so those features don't matter to me. My 20-something daughter says it is cooler, so I guess there is always that.

This pretty much sums up the typical IOS user:

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Physical Keyboard, Widescreen, webcam are there. Flash support will not be an issue as Flash is almost dead. Welcome HTML5, video out will change when Apple TV debuts. iCloud storage. AirPrint
Disclaimer: I do not own any mac or ipad. But I do have tablets.;)
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It doesn't have a physical keyboard, you can buy one for additional cost. And those keyboards aren't as elegant or as well-built as the iPad itself. And if you do put a keyboard on it, then you have just created a netbook, but at more than twice the price.

It isn't widescreen, it is 4:3. Widescreen is 16:9 by my definition. Turning it sideways makes it portrait or landscape, that's all.

Webcam and more memory are updates to second generation. I also have a camera expansion kit so that I can interface a camera through the Apple connection. More cost, though. We had several hundred thousand Visa points, so my iPad was free. I missed the chance to buy other toys, but it didn't result in any out of pocket cost.

Flash is one thing I miss. I don't like going to websites and seeing blank boxes. I just can't view those websites. That sucks. There aren't that many of them, but there are enough to notice.

I do own one. And I like it for what it does. But it loses in feature comparison tests with laptops, just the same way as it wins as long as you consider it a new product category, discounting previous tablets.

All IMO.

Price is definitely an issue with iPad.
The bottom line is Apple or Android or Windows, tablets are the future. That's what Windows 8 is targeting as well. I am seeing them in use more and more. I used to fill paper forms, now most places just hand you a tablet to fill form.
Will the tablets eventually replace laptops or PC? Only time will tell.

But why is it that these devices are so popular only after first Apple brings them out followed by attack of clones. We have seen with iPod, iPhone and iPad.

Easy answer: Closet PC users have become typical IOS users...... :rofl:

Ah yes...Want proof that cheap isn't always better? Just go back to 2010
and ask yourself about netbook sales in 2012. Don't blame the iPad blame
the lousy Netbooks......:popcorn:

Netbook Sales Are Crashing! Quick! Blame The iPad, Not The Lousy Netbooks! | TechCrunch

How about an up to date comparison.... and guess what
I never heard of the TC1100 before i read this post and
ill bet it has far fewer users. I wonder why? Oh wait
I know; those who we're considering a TC1100 have instead
Purchased an iPad 2...... ;)

I believe Thunder's point was that the TC1100 had a far better feature set, many years earlier, and yet nobody bought it. So why did all those people then buy the iPad years later? Could it be simply because it was an Apple product, and that is the way the herd was running?

If not that, then what is your alternate hypothesis for why it has been so successful, despite having a smaller feature set and a higher price?

Its the easy to use interface.
There have been windows based HP iPaq / Samsung Smartphones before iPhone, but they never really took-off in sales.

Actually I understood his point. As fas as why the TC1100 had a far better feature set many years earlier, and yet nobody bought it is a question
that needs to be answered by those in the PC world. Why were PC users dissatisfied even with the impressive feature set? I don't know. Why were Mac Users at the time dissatisfied even with the impressive feature set and made the decision not to buy it? I don't know. I'm sure it isn't just the herd mentality because any company can foster a following if the they just gatherthe ranks and concentrate on it the way Apple has. So it has to be something else other than the so called Fan Boi hysteria after all it's PC users that have been switching.

In my opinion the reason why people have gravitated towards the iPad and other Apple products may be it's ease of use, seamless integration with other apple products, quality manufacturing, excellent customer service, free product training and a host of other advantages made possible by a closed system. Charging more pays for all those things including additional R&D which makes for a product that last much longer than it's PC counterpart.

Personally I believe both platforms have their use and i use them both...:thumbup: Re: Thunder22? All respect is due and all respect
is given. A Banter or two is all in good fun nothing more.

It would be nice if that easy to use interface included a menu option to attach a photo. Does Apple assume that all Apple users only start email chains, and never respond to them?


I presume that it is possible to cut and paste from the Photo or Camera app, but why add additional steps?

Bad marketing is probably what killed it. Same lesson HP learned in a very big and expensive way with their Touchpad. Great idea yes. iPad killer no! And at the same price point that was a very bad mistake to make, especially given the state of the OS and support available at launch. No wonder they got the hell out again, badly burned, but still going.

Figures from late 2011 (September I think) had the iPad outselling EVERY other tablet on the market combined by 4:1. That's a tough market to break into. Apple just did everything they needed to do, and got it right (mostly) first time. I'm not a fanboi and there are things that really bug me about the iPad (the virtual keyboard for one along with no external storage card support) but there simply isn't anything else out there that does enough of what I want.

That's not to say it's perfect by a long shot, but it's good enough, and in the IT industry that's usually enough. But boy do they ever need to get the current version of IOS fixed and soon. Perhaps a little mre effort on getting the customer rather than patent wars the focus might help!

JCL:

You got me on this one. I'm not sure what your asking. Could you
be more specific? I would like to check it out on the wifes iPad and
learn something.

What's an email chain? You want to attach a photo to what?

I think he is talking about attaching a photo to email. I do that by starting with the photo and selecting email from within photo app. Copy paste if replying.

If that's what he's talking about your right it's a simple process.

An email chain is an email with a subsequent response. Apple expects you to email from the photo app.

Sure would be nice to have an "attach item" menu option. More steps isn't simple, it is inelegant and cumbersome, IMO.

Since I have you experts here...

When browsing this forum with Safari on a 32 gB iPad 2, it closes by itself quite often. I can reopen it, but it usually closes when I am doing a short response like this one. Then I lose whatever I typed and have to start over. Why does it happen?

Edit now that I am on a PC with a keyboard: As an example, it closed twice while typing the above paragraph. I lost the text each time. I generally don't type more than two sentences on the iPad before submitting, then I use edit post, and add two sentences at a time, resubmitting several times. It is a workaround, and a clumsy one, but it saves retyping quite as much.

I Googled "iPad Safari closing unexpectedly" and got over one million hits. I did a search of the Apple forums. They seem to know all about Safari closing unexpectedly on the iPad 2, there are lots of threads on it. The consensus appears to be that it is a memory management issue, related to Webkit (don't know what that is), and that no solution will be forthcoming until Apple releases one. If that is it, at least I'm not the only one. I'll just sit back and enjoy it's ease of use, seamless integration with other Apple products, quality manufacturing, excellent customer service, free product training and a host of other advantages made possible by a closed system, lol. Should I expect an update to the operating system, or am I supposed to line up for an iPad 3?

So, in the meantime, it isn't usable for filling in text boxes, but it is a decent reader.

Not on an iPhone, the screen is too small

Safari closing suddenly started in my case with the arrival of IOS 5. I have a 32GB/WiFi/3G version of the iPad1 and it does it randomly and very annoyingly and losing all the data too. Similar issue with going 'back' within the browser and finding it has actually loaded a version of the page from days ago rather than a few minutes/moments before.

I think most owners are still hoping IOS 5.1 fixes it, along with the excessive power use issue on some iPhone 4/4S models. 5.01 was supposed to sort the latter out and failed miserably.

:iagree: More steps isn't simple but here's the way i do it on the iPhone.

If you already have the e mail written, or are responding to a thread, go to photos or camera roll, find the picture you want, touch and hold until the copy button pops up. Copy it. Then return to the e mail, and paste it where you want it.

JCL:

The easiest way to solve problems may be following these instructions.
How To Restore, Restart, Or Reset Your iPad | TCGeeks

The way I did it was to highlight all the text I had written in my new email and copy it, go to photos, select send photo, and then paste in my message. Then return to email and discard the now-useless draft.

Just seems non-user-friendly. I can image the Apple designers originally planning out that all their customers would take pictures and send them out to all their contacts, from the camera roll, but that nobody with an iPhone would ever respond to someone else's message. In a way, they are saying that iPhone users start things, but don't need to follow. There's a message there.

Thats one way to do it. But the easier way is compose your email, leave it as is (it will still be there when you return) then go to photos or camera roll, find the picture you want, touch and hold until the copy button pops up. Copy it. Then return to the e mail, and paste it where you want it no need to throw out an e-mail. Actually the process is really quick. I have no problem responding to anyones e-mail or text message by pasting photos. In fact I've been texting and e-mailing all morning doing it this way.

Thanks, similar to what I found, and there is also a suggestion to close all apps that stay running in the background after each use. Some report that helps, others not.

So according to TCGeeks, the solution to iPad applications randomly closing (after turning it on and off, and then doing a hardware reset) is to wipe it and return it to factory ship condition, followed by reinstalling all applications and restoring all data? Somehow that sounds just so much like, dare I say it, a PC.

I struggled through Windows ME years ago, and even then I don't remember browsers randomly turning themselves off and losing data.

What about the promise of a happy world inside a closed system, Quick? Isn't this thing supposed to be less trouble than a PC?

Here is hoping that the next OS upgrade fixes it.

But if you copy and paste the email text, then when the application self-reboots and you lose all your data, you still have it on the clipboard for when you start over. That is mixing up the iPhone with the current iPad problems, but it was those problems that caused me to start copying text regularly, so I guess I carried that practice over to the iPhone.

Thanks for your comments. I am new to IOS, so it all helps. Appreciate it.

Anytime. :thumbup:

Edit: OBTW anyone who has problems with an iPad and they
have exhausted the recommended ways to fix it should
without fail Call Apple or make an appointment with an Apple
store immediately.

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This should be interesting,

Microsoft Office app coming to iPad? | Signal Strength - CNET News

I installed OS 5.1 last night on my iPad 2, replacing 5.01. Now to see if it resolves the problem of Safari closing randomly and repeatedly when text boxes are open. I followed the previously posted instructions to restart, reset, close all other applications, turn off the cloud, etc, but it has still been closing up until yesterday. Visiting the Apple store and talking to a genius brought no joy, since they said "we have never seen that problem before". When I showed them over 1 million Google hits on the same apparent problem they were unsure as to how to respond. So I took pity on them and left.

Interested in other's experiences as to whether the upgrade to 5.1 resolves this apparent bug.

I have a similar experience with iBooks and PDF files we use...my iPad is the only one that dumps the program...seven of us use it here and all have identical files as we use this for work, but I'm the lucky one...."genius" at the bar suggested i had too many PDF's, yet couldn't explain why i was the only one who was having issues in my office...5.1 didn't help, uninstalled, reinstalled, rebooted...everything....works for now but seems like i run out of memory as i use it..very strange...pisses me off cause i end up using my AIR now more than the iPad for the same presentations...not as easy to utilize slide shows etc, but at least it works!

JCL:

I can understand your frustration. iPad like all devices can have their issues.
However since your iPad is under warranty there is no reason for this issue to continue.
My suggestion is. Gather your receipt, and you iPad serial number and call apple immediately.

Leave out to one million other users who are suppose to have the problem.
Describe your problem. If there's an answer they will walk you thru how to
solve it. If they can't correct the problem they will prob. suggest sending you
another iPad.

I've called Apple very few times since 1984 and every time I called the
problem was solved in less than 10 minutes.

Good to know i'll be buying a better product.

Research firm: New iPad more expensive to make - Yahoo! News

OS 5.1 installed and Safari hasn't closed unexpectedly since. Maybe they fixed it. The release notes don't highlight this issue, but in the fine print they refer to several bug fixes. So far so good.

Quick, I was never particularly frustrated. It just didn't work. It wasn't a hardware issue, which would have clearly been warranty. It was a software conflict and Apple's next step was to remove all my applications. I wasn't interested in that. It was less trouble to live with it

...in iPad news...Record breaking sales in first 3 days. Apple online store says if you order today it will ship in 2 to 3 weeks. eBay sellers making money due to shortage.....;)

We will need cooling pad for the new iPad...;)
Visualized: new iPad burns 10 degrees hotter than its predecessor -- Engadget

The same complaint was made with the first iPad.
Some iPads Can't Take the Heat - NYTimes.com

If it keeps getting 10 degrees hotter with each iPad, we should be able to grill meat right on the iPad in another few hours. Maybe they will have an app for that. :)

Long as we are not grilling Pink Slim burgers it's all good....:thumbup: