Official iPad Thread
 

Ok, so who is getting one????

Apple - iPad - The best way to experience the web, email, & photos

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The Apple iPad
 

OK so I'm going to come out and say it. I own a iPhone and I think its a nice gadget. I don't own a Mac as I don't like the limited hardware that I'm stuck with (plus, I enjoy building my own PCs).

Having said that, I had high hopes for Apples tablet. I was hoping for something new and different.

It's a glorified iPhone. Really. A big screen with the same features.

Am I the only one not 'feeling' it? I would have thought video conferencing would be cool.

No flash? On a 10" screen? There are so many websites that use Flash now. Thats a big handicap against this tablet.

Is anyone going to seriously use the onscreen keyboard to type documents? Yes, I know they have a keyboard available, but why wouldn't I just use a desktop then?

What I *do* like is the data plan deals they setup with AT&T. That should make Verizon and Sprint think twice about their current marketing strategy.

Chris

I have a 3GS iPhone and I travel a lot so i think I will get one of these pads. I use an app called QuickOffice that lets me make, use and edit Microsoft office docs. But yes it does look and sound like a over sized iPhone. And $ 829 for the top of the line loaded iPad doesn't seem that bad.

Agreed just seems like a bigger iphone that cant make calls, kind of sucks that has no flash. Anyone know if you can install applications or just stuff from the app store.

It's all App Store stuff...no multitasking either, which means no streaming music while surfing the web or doing anything else....

It's a solution in search of a problem.

I'm gonna get one for my grandfather and finally blow his piece of shit dell to bits.
I wouldn't mind one for classes but to be honest, I think that I'd rather just upgrade to a Macbook Pro with the money.

Why?
:popcorn:

:iagree: A lot more expensive but a much better choice imo.

Actually for many people it is a solution that solves problems.
For example "Apple's iPad tablet touches a nerve in Redmond"
After a decade of pursuing the notion of a tablet computer for consumers,
it now appears possible, if not likely, that Apple will be the one that gets
credit--and the revenue--for making the product mainstream.

Apple's iPad tablet touches a nerve in Redmond | Beyond Binary - CNET News

The device has it's shortcomings, but that's been Apple's MO. When Apple released the iPhone, it was unable to do basis functions like send MMS text. The iPhone still sold over 5mil units to date and have improved dramatically since. I think it has a lot of room for growth and not to mention "the Apple cool factor". :thumbup:

:iagree: Regarding it's shortcomings. Especially the no camera part but it will
likely succeed for the reasons I explained to someone in a doctors office
this morning. This article echo's some of my thoughts.

Apple's iPad Takes Us One More Step Into The Future - All Tech Considered - Technology News And Culture Blog : NPR

It sure is a pretty little bauble and I want one but purely for the gadget factor. I agree with others that it is a glorified iPhone, or a iPod Touch on steroids. It really is just a gadget, not a truly useful machine but like the rest of Apple's stuff, the design and marketing is excellent and this thing will fly off the shelves. This coming from a daily MacBook user and home-built PC user so no bias either way.

I hate it. So much hype for something that is ultimately a let down because of Apple's tiered feature introduction marketing methods.

Next year it will have a camera and be 'revolutionary' SJ: "We listened to what you wanted and (instead of just doing it right the first time) now you can have it!"

Nowhere in that article does it say what, if any, problems the ipad provides a solution for.

Again, that article doesn't state anything about why the iPad is suddenly going to make the tablet market take off when intel/windows based tablets are still serving a niche market. What does the ipad do differently? What market is it aimed at? What apps does Apple have that will compel people to buy this?

I also don't understand how anyone can say it has shortcomings when no one has clearly laid out it's benefits over what exists today.

Not hating on Apple at all, I'm a technologist, and I don't see the benefits until there is an app that works better on this style of device than a non-touch screen/tablet device, or what problem this device solves. They are the same questions I would ask when any piece of technology is hyped as much as this.

because he has macular degeneration and can't see the cursor.

Wouldn't a bigger monitor and enlarged font/icons/cursor work better? It's easy to enable in Windows. (Just in case you didn't know, no sense in wasting money on a new machine if the current one can handle it)

The obvious problem that the iPad has a solution for is it gives temporary relief to the fanboys suffering from hypo-iGadgetitis.

But seriously, my family doctor has been using a Windows based tablet system to run his paperless office for years. I don't see anything the iPad offers that would make him want to get one. For all I know he may still get one as he's a bit of a techie, but it wouldn't be for anything useful.

In all seriousness though guys, those of you thinking on buying it wait until the next model is released, don't be an early adopter like I was. I purchased the Macbook when it just came out (Intel) that POS would run so hot it would burn my balls off. After the second week the touchpad button stopped working, I would always turn up at the Apple store for some reason or another :rofl:

Word to the wise atleast wait until the next revision.

The contrast fonts are fine, but he can't see the cursor. A touch screen is perfect for him. He can use my macbook without glasses, I would think that this would be easier, and just right for what he needs. (Email and pictures)

This device is not on the horizon for me but apparently Microsoft has been busting their
butts trying to get this kind of device out on the market but have failed to do so.
So apparently Apple is not the only one who see's the need.

Loving or Hating Apple isn't the issue here and being a technologist
actually has no bearing on what Apple is trying to do either.

This article makes the following point which I agree with weather Apple
succeeds in it's effort remains to be seen.

The iPhone succeeds best as a media portal and Internet access point, stengths that will only be enhanced by an increase in size.

Society today is built around constantly consuming information from the Internet, and occasionally feeding information back into it. We shop, connect with friends, get directions, check the weather and laugh at dumber-than-dumb Internet memes. The Internet is the public commons, the central market and private living room for visiting with friends, all at once.

A small tablet based on the iPhone-interaction model should make it easier to visit these virtual spaces where we now live so much of our lives.

Funny, you have iPhone but haven't be able to fully experience OS X. iPhone has basically a mini OS X...Once you use OS X, you'll never enjoy using Windows...

:iagree:

I bought my first mac purely for the design and style of it. I hate PC now, and would never switch back. I do use PC for the few software out there that are PC only.

I am really disappointed with the iPad. Everything from the name, features, and OS are disappointing. No USB, no camera, only 64GB, no cd/dvd drive. Looks exactly like the HP Slate, but worse.

With that said, I will probably still get one since I am an Apple fanboy.
1 64GB with 3G please. 90 days and counting...

I always have bad luck with Apple. Every time I buy something, less then a month later a new and revised version is out. Even if everyone at Apple store says there is no new one coming out, I buy something and a new one comes out.

I agree that it is best to wait for the new version.

BTW, was iPhone 4G or iPhone OS 4.0 announced?

NO

What do you guys think of the Android based tablets? There are some out now but I think the competition is just heating up. Here is a nice one with many more to come.

Vega Android tablet

http://nexus404.com/Blog/wp-content/...d-2-Tablet.jpg

Looks like it's a wait and see item. Not much info.
Vega: Android Leaps from Phone to Tablet

:iagree: I am with you. I tried to preorder but they haven't put the option up yet.

I was going to Billy Madison you, but I'm too lazy this morning.

I'm not hating on Apple, I couldn't care less what brand this is.

This is not a MS vs. Apple discussion, Microsoft doesn't make hardware.

My questions are sincere and still unanswered.

My pet peeve is when SJ mentioned netbooks. How does this replace netbooks? It just doesn't. There is no flash capability so the web experience is "restricted". There is no camera so Skype users (and there are millions of them) are out. It is also touted to support iWork for word processing and excel which is great (kind of like netbooks) but then there is no multi-tasking.

The concept and the problem this device addresses could have been portrayed much better. The HD is also not true HD (even the 720P resolution is crippled) as the panel is not native 16:9

Will the iPad sell? Yes..is it a game changer..hell no. I will wait for version 2.0

:iagree: Not supporting flash is huge. It's going to cripple the web browsing experience for many sites.

This device has a lot of people in the industry wondering what to use it for. IMO, Jobs has made a "build it and they will come" gamble. We'll have to wait and see if someone builds a killer app for it.

oh and also..putting an "i" before every gadget they make is getting to the point of being annoying. iPAD? seriously? Their marketing and branding department needs to be shot.

Please don't get me wrong, I love apple. I have three iphones, few ipods and a mac mini but this iPad doesn't fit in my life kind of like the AppleTV.

"Women mock the iPad, calling it iTampon" LA Times

"iTampon is the #2 Trending Topic on Twitter" Gizmodo

Apparently, women hate the iPad name. Sounds like Apple didn't do the market research it should have.

I told my wife about the iPad this morning (and I described it as a large iPod Touch). She, who doesn't know much gadgets and hadn't even heard of the iPad (or iTampon), immediately scrunched up her nose and said that's a stupid name...

It sounds like a masshole saying "iPod"...

Sorry, can't resist this. :p:

The iTampon is the upgraded version of the iPad (according to a tweet)...

:bustingup:bustingup:bustingup:bustingup:bustingup

Actually I have used Snow Leopard quite a bit, I have a hackintosh :)

It's a fine OS, but I still like Windows better. To each their own. You can't beat the number of "apps" for Windows...and just wait, if Apple grows in popularity, you'll find hackers will start creating all sorts of problems for Apple and their OS, it's just as flawed as Windows. Let's not forget the debacle with Snow Leopard and it deleting users data a few months back.

Chris

I agree, the arrogance of Jobs is quite annoying...on the other hand, Steve Wozniak is about the nicest guy you'll ever meet.

Chris

Does it have wings? :D

I believe you’re missing the point.

It appears that there are various opinions regarding the device and where it fits in.
The questions you ask has to be answered by you and weather or not you need this device.
If we as a buyer can't see how it will solve any so called problem we have then
we may not buy it. (BTW I'm one of those people)

The most interesting claim Apple made for its new iPad goes to the heart of journalism's future:

According to some sources the iPad has potential to be a popular new way to get the news and a
meaningful new revenue stream for the newspaper industry. Seeing that the newspaper industry
has been having some serious problems with circulation and revenue I suppose one could call that
a problem that needs solving. That problem may or may not be of interest to you and your
decision in that regard does not negate someone else’s need for the device and the problem it may solve for them.

I hope this helps...........

I would rather have a Kindle.

I don't need another device that is almost a computer and I already have a smart phone.

I'm not missing any point, but thanks.

You claimed that it solved many problems for many people. I'm asking what are those specific problems and resolutions, you said many, not me. My initial posting of the questions was to the "general you", but then you stated the above so now i'm specifically asking you what those problems and solutions are, because you are right about me missing the point with regards to that, I don't see the many problems nor the many solutions. Neither do many others. The vast majority of people saying that they're going to get one are the Apple fanboys. Industry technologists and trade rags are not saying "this device is revolutionary, it will make so many things better". After reading a lot of the articles about the Ipad, I'm still asking what those things are.

Regarding your example of it being an upgraded news reader, that's not a current problem, kindles, netbooks, laptops and smart phones all do that well, some better than others. Not to mention that the issue with digitizing periodicals is not a hardware problem, it's an application problem - how to secure the downloaded periodical so that it can't be shared. This device doesn't address that issue.

Also, how many people do you know are going to spend $900 or whatever the iPad costs so that they can read the periodicals more easily? Not many, especially with kindles being so much cheaper and better at it, and it actually supports my statement that tablets are in a niche market and until someone writes some killer app to take advantage of the technology, it will remain that way. But what do I know, I've only spent 22 years of my career evaluating technology. :dunno:

And btw - being a technologist has everything to with discussing a new technology device ;) Would you rather discuss it with a landscaper? :D

I think much like the iPhone, version 2.0 will be better and will be worth checking out. Manufacturing prices will be down, there will be plenty of information/apps by then and we'll have some nice hardware upgrades.

From the WSJ
 

WSJ Article:

Apple Inc.'s iPad tablet device, shrouded in secrecy until Wednesday, has been hyped as a coming revolution for all corners of the media business. But while the gadget, in its debut, promised to upend how people read and pay for books, it offered few signs of a new model for distributing TV shows, movies or magazines.


Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs announced a new online bookstore—iBookstore—and a deal with big book publishers, setting the stage for a battle with e-book front-runner Amazon.com Inc. Publishers will get to set the retail price for each of their titles, unlike with Amazon.

Mr. Jobs trundled out an array of media partners on stage, including videogame publisher Electronic Arts Inc. and New York Times Co.

Martin Nisenholtz, Times Co.'s senior vice president of digital operations, demonstrated the iPad's Times feature, which allows users to resize text, zoom in and out and watch video that appears alongside stories. "This is just the beginning," Mr. Nisenholtz told the audience.

Magazine publishers, which have been preparing for the next generation of electronic reading devices, were notably absent from the Apple event. "Steve Jobs would have been smart to have a magazine company on stage," said Cathie Black, president of Hearst Magazines. But, she added, "We care a lot more about having the right business issues thought out, rather than just being on stage."

Magazine publishers are particularly interested in how their titles will be sold and what advertising will look like on the iPad. It's unclear whether Apple plans a single storefront—such as iBookstore—that offers all their magazines in one place, or whether it will sell magazine applications individually, as the company does in the iPhone "apps" store.
"There's no iMagazines and there's no iNews," said Sara Ohrvall, senior vice president, of research and development for Swedish media company Bonnier. "Either we have to package our products much differently, or we just lost the paid content game."

Newspapers and magazine companies have seen the iPad and similar devices as an opportunity to find new ways to charge consumers for digital access, something they largely haven't been able to do online.

Times Co. said it is too soon to say whether the paper's iPad application will be part of an online pay model the company announced last week.

Magazine executives said they are scrambling to take advantage of the iPad's potential advertising capabilities. Condé Nast Digital president Sarah Chubb said the company is setting up an in-house ad agency to focus on best practices for e-readers, which unti now haven't offered the picture quality and landscape view suitable for Condé Nast's glossy magazines.

"You can do some pretty amazing things once you have that palette," Ms. Chubb said.

In the book industry, five major publishers have signed up with Apple: Lagardere SCA's Hachette Book Group, News Corp.'s HarperCollins Publishers, CBS Corp.'s Simon & Schuster, Pearson PLC's Penguin Group and Macmillan, a unit of Germany's Verlagsgruppe Georg von Holtzbrinck GmbH. News Corp. also owns The Wall Street Journal.

Book publishers will receive 70% of the revenue, with Apple taking the remainder, a revenue split Apple already established for sales of movies and television shows. Many new e-books are expected to be priced at $12.99 and $14.99, with the higher price point generally expected to be reserved for new titles that have an ink-on-paper retail price above $27.99.

"Publishers will now set individual prices for individual books," said Macmillan CEO John Sargent.

HarperCollins Chief Executive Brian Murray said, "What's attractive is the 100 million or so iTunes customers and the fact that Apple will have a bookstore. It's about access to those potential customers." HarperCollins will discuss its decision with its existing retail partners.

Amazon, which in 2007 ignited the e-book market with its Kindle reader, didn't respond to requests for comment on Apple's pricing. Amazon has built its e-book business with a broad selection of titles as well as $9.99 e-book best sellers.

David Young, CEO of Hachette Book Group, said the company will now release nearly all its new e-book titles on the same day as the hardcover. Publishers have withheld the e-book editions of some titles in order to boost hardcover sales.

The big question is whether publishers will now insist on selling their e-books to other retailers on the same terms as Apple, reining in the discounts.

"There will be discussions with Amazon and other retailers," said Mr. Sargent. "There is plenty of room in the marketplace for Apple and Amazon."

It remains unclear how big an impact the iPad will have on other media businesses. Some media executives said it was good for their business that the iPad is an extension of familiar media distribution efforts such as the iPhone apps and iTunes.

"I don't know that they need a new business model for the video space," said Quincy Smith, the former head of CBS Interactive and a partner with media-and-technology advisory firm Code Advisors. "It's the same service, same economics, same metrics, same way of getting paid, just a different screen."

—Russell Adams, Paul Sonne and Nick Wingfield contributed to this article.
Write to Jeffrey A. Trachtenberg at [email protected] and Shira Ovide at [email protected]

Good effort on your part but lets look at my quote again.
I said "Actually for many people it is a solution that solves problems".
I didn't say many problems. But if you look carefully at my previous
posts regarding just the news paper industry that would include
Many people and some of their problems. There are others who
find that it will fill their need and perhaps solve what "they" not you consider
a problem as well.

Remember just because a person doesn't understand how something will benefit
someone or solve their problem doesn't mean that it won't indeed
do exactly that.

I respect your expertise as a "technologist" but not everyone who buys
technology cares about the technology. They just want it to do what they
want it to do and that may be something as simple as keep track of
recipes. That in and of itself may be the problem it solves.

I believe technologist and other technical people often
overlook the simple benefits that people get from a device that can accomplish a simple
task without a lot of technical jargon and diatribe that the so called
gurus think is necessary to get the job done. Nor do they care what
many so called experts think or what the Industry technologists and
trade rags think about what a device doesn't have,
what they think it should have, or how it compares with whatever
else is out there. People just want technology to do what they like it to do
in an easy way.

That why I can say I don't need to explain in detail what
specifically the problems and solutions this device will solve. You can
use your imagination just like everyone else. But i guess your right about
one thing "The vast majority of people saying that they're going to get one are the Apple fanboys."
I'm not a fanboy though. I'm a Mac Fanatic and i'm not buying one and I don't know of any other
Mac users who are going to get one either.

But what do I know? I've only spent the last 30 years of my life
trying to help plain people weed through the technology maze
and find something that will solve their simple problems.
When you include the human factor one can never tell what
people will buy and their reason for buying it. But if it's reason
enough for them then it's reason enough.

Great rant, *fairway clap, the king of non-sequitor lives :).

My questions however, as a consumer and technologist, have still not been answered. This isn't about me or you, it's about the device, its intended audience, potential uses, and whether it will be successful. I was actually looking forward to hearing your take on it as you are a self described fanatic about Apple products, but it seems that you and the Apple Sheeple, are just as baffled as I am as to "why".

Btw- It is not a question of not understanding the product, I understand its abilities very well. In order to not understand its intended earth shattering uses, someone would have to actually propose some earth shattering uses first so that they could be considered ;)

Anyone saw this skid from MadTV 4 years ago?

YouTube - Mad Tv - IPad

I agree. The person who named the iPad is an iDiot. How long do they think they can milk this iAnything naming thing?

I honestly haven't taken an analytical look it it yet.
I have a rudimentary understanding of its intended
audience and potential uses but since i'm not an early
adopter of new products I usually wait till the dust
settles and gather information later. My reason is
that at the outset there's always a lot of "lets find out
what it wont do" rather than what it "really can do"

Regarding the shattering uses part?
My answer at this point would be that the iPhone wasn't regarded
by many as a device with earth shattering uses either.
In fact it still garners a fair amount of complaints by
unsatisfied people who believe it should do this, that, or the other.
Still that hasn't stopped some of those same people
who complain about it from buying it in droves...... Go figure.....:dunno:

No device has it all. Sometimes it's just the way it looks,
the way it feels, or does what it does that makes it special.
The MotoRazr is a perfect example of just a telephone
with a form, function, and look that captured mass appeal.
(but it was just a phone) For those that bought it.......WHY?
They could have bought a phone at Walmart....So there you go!!!:thumbup:

Good question! Here you go...

P.S. Just wanted to clarify that this post is another of the immature (yes, I've made contributions to those) posts regards iPad, iTampon, iMaxipad, etc.

Sorry, another :D

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Nice...

I may be slow, but what can this device do that a mini-notebook (costing 2-3 times less) not do? Just because it is all touchscreen? I guess I am confused as well as some others as to its main purpose. Seems like an answer to a question nobody asked and something some people think they have to buy to stay cool/relevant, imo.

:rofl::rofl::rofl: BINGO
STAYING COOL.....Very important cause when
your cool you're relevant..........;)

Yeah dude, if you don't have the latest Apple/igadget you are lame. That is just how it goes. That is what the highschoolers tell me anyway. Wasn't the Macbook Air cool for like a week or something a year or two ago?

iPod = Great :thumbup:
iPhone = Good (nice gadget/crappy service)
iAnything else = :thumbdown iCrap

So not only will it make you cool, it will also keep you dry.

:wow: Wow thanks for the reminder:

iPod = Great :thumbup:
iPhone = Great (excellent event manager/Decent service)
iMac = Excellent computer/great for music production/:thumbup:
iMac = Great trouble free music/photo/movie/manager
iMac = Wonderful XP/Windows 7 or any kind of windows machine
Macbook Pro = Excellent Alternate music production gear/:thumbup:
Macbook pro = Reasonable alternate Windows XP machine...:cool:
Macbook pro = Does what the iMac does with ease......:D
Airport Express= Portable Hotness for all your wireless experience..:cool:

I love it when a plan comes together.......;)

Even Hitler knows the iPad sucks. :D

If it's true.............BOO Apple.

Apple's IPad Marketing Sparks Complaint to FTC - PCWorld

Wow, that's pretty interesting and not a good thing for Apple if it's true. I don't think it will hurt the sales of the iPad but "wilful false advertising" is never good for a company's image. If you've got a good product and a good fan base, a company shouldn't have to stoop to this.

Can you believe Adobe's claim that "... more than 70 percent of all games and 75 percent of all video on the Web uses Flash."? Those numbers just seem way too high.

That's what happens when the a product gets taken over by the iDiots in the Marketing department. You get a crappy product name and misleading advertisement.

It's going to be fun watching how the Fujitsu trademark lawsuit turns out.

it is going to be fun(ner?) when people find out 70% of the online games and videos will not run on the ipad's browser. Most still feel this will replace the note/netbooks.

Going to wait for v2.0. This is getting interesting.

Well, in the spirit of piling on.... This is being emailed around.

LOL....poor Apple they are getting beatup pretty bad. I agree Mick, we'll see what version 2.0 looks like....maybe we'll see revised iPads in June when the iPhone presentation is scheduled. I suppose thats way to early for version 2.0 but hey who knows...

The iPad's future shock. "A technologist view".
The iPad's future shock | Laptop | iPhone Central | Macworld

I can't help being struck by the volume and vehemence of apparently technologically sophisticated people inveighing against the iPad.

Some are trying to dismiss these ravings by comparing them to certain comments made after the launch of the iPod in 2001: "No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame." I fear this January-26th thinking misses the point.

What you're seeing in the industry's reaction to the iPad is nothing less than future shock.

For years we've all held to the belief that computing had to be made simpler for the "average person." I find it difficult to come to any conclusion other than that we have totally failed in this effort.

Secretly, I suspect, we technologists quite liked the idea that Normals would be dependent on us for our technological shamanism. Those incantations that only we can perform to heal their computers, those oracular proclamations that we make over the future and the blessings we bestow on purchasing choices.

Ask yourself this: in what other walk of life do grown adults depend on other people to help them buy something? Women often turn to men to help them purchase a car but that's because of the obnoxious misogyny of car dealers, not because ladies worry that the car they buy won't work on their local roads. (Sorry computer/car analogy. My bad.)

I'm often saddened by the infantilizing effect of high technology on adults. From being in control of their world, they're thrust back to a childish, medieval world in which gremlins appear to torment them and disappear at will and against which magic, spells, and the local witch doctor are their only refuges.

With the iPhone OS as incarnated in the iPad, Apple proposes to do something about this, and I mean really do something about it instead of just talking about doing something about it, and the world is going mental.

Not the entire world, though. The people whose backs have been broken under the weight of technological complexity and failure immediately understand what's happening here. Those of us who patiently, day after day, explain to a child or colleague that the reason there's no Print item in the File menu is because, although the Pages document is filling the screen, Finder is actually the frontmost application and it doesn't have any windows open, understand what's happening here.

The visigoths are at the gate of the city. They're demanding access to software. they're demanding to be in control of their own experience of information. They may not like our high art and culture, they may be really into OpenGL boob-jiggling apps and they may not always share our sense of aesthetics, but they are the people we have claimed to serve for 30 years whilst screwing them over in innumerable ways. There are also many, many more of them than us.

People talk about Steve Jobs' reality distortion field, and I don't disagree that the man has a quasi-hypnotic ability to convince. There's another reality distortion field at work, though, and everyone that makes a living from the tech industry is within its tractor-beam. That RDF tells us that computers are awesome, they work great and only those too stupid to live can't work them.

The tech industry will be in paroxysms of future shock for some time to come. Many will cling to their January-26th notions of what it takes to get "real work" done; cling to the idea that the computer-based part of it is the "real work."

It's not. The Real Work is not formatting the margins, installing the printer driver, uploading the document, finishing the PowerPoint slides, running the software update or reinstalling the OS.

The Real Work is teaching the child, healing the patient, selling the house, logging the road defects, fixing the car at the roadside, capturing the table's order, designing the house and organizing the party.

Think of the millions of hours of human effort spent on preventing and recovering from the problems caused by completely open computer systems. Think of the lengths that people have gone to in order to acquire skills that are orthogonal to their core interests and their job, just so they can get their job done.

If the iPad and its successor devices free these people to focus on what they do best, it will dramatically change people's perceptions of computing from something to fear to something to engage enthusiastically with. I find it hard to believe that the loss of background processing isn't a price worth paying to have a computer that isn't frightening anymore.

In the meantime, Adobe and Microsoft will continue to stamp their feet and whine.

HTML5 is part of the reason for the exclusion of Flash. APIs can do everything flash does and more and require far less bandwidth and processing power on the device.

I think we are only seeing the beginning here. Apple is pushing the market and positioning itself to dominate it. Once Flash is out of the way and all media is funneled through their stores they will be quite a force, even compared to how they are now. Once the iPad is put to the test by real world users and developers make apps to fill every niche imaginable it will create a niche in itself, regardless if we can see it or not.

I just wish it was closer to my niche, but in time even operating systems as we know them will be obsolete. Apple is taking a lot of heat now but down the road it will pay in huge dividends.

Wait... what? :confused:

iPad nano
 

I think it'll be released for Christmas 2010 :p:

Just throwing some ideas out there about why Apple is doing what they're doing.

Should probably take into account it was 4am on a Sat night for me when I posted it :thumbup:

Steve Jobs supposedly said something about HTML5 use instead of Flash but that quote hasn't been confirmed.

I think the competition will be the videos using H264 from YouTube and Vimeo so that one does not need Flash. I've seen complaints (mainly from Mac users?) about how Flash causes them system problems. I never noticed any Flash attributable issues on Windows.

I am a developer and no longer support Flash, HTML 5 is good stuff.

It really opens up html to server apps and that is the key. Jobs has been talking about "Cloud computing" for quite some time and so have others such as Google's web apps, facebook, iPhone and corporate apps like SalesForce.com etc.

Eventually devices like the iPad, although having small processors, will be very powerful with the backup of these central servers.

The iPad is revolutionary in an extremely vague way because the industry is positioning itself but not quite there yet.

( Maybe NWS) The new Apple i-Pad
 

Tooooo funny!......:rofl::rofl:
Yeah I know The iPad has it's
own thread but bury this I shall not.

YouTube - Mad TV iPAD




BTW A woman sent me this........

I guessed nobody paid attention to my post on it a week ago on the "official ipad thread" :dunno: => Xoutpost.com - View Single Post - Official iPad Thread

A difference of opinion among developers has become a high-profile debate over the future of the Web: should programmers continue using Adobe Systems' Flash or embrace newer Web technology instead?

The debate has gone on for years, but last week's debut of Apple's iPad--which like the iPhone doesn't support Flash--turned up the heat. Before that, Adobe had been saying with some restraint that it's happy to bring Flash to the iPhone when Apple gives the go-ahead.

But Chief Technology Officer Kevin Lynch took the gloves off Tuesday with a blog post that said Apple's reluctance to include Flash on its "magical device" means iPad buyers will effectively see a crippled Web. And he played the Google Nexus One card, too.

"We are now on the verge of delivering Flash Player 10.1 for smartphones with all but one of the top manufacturers," Lynch said, specifically mentioning the Nexus One as one such device and adding that the software also works on tablets, Netbooks, and Net-enabled TVs. "Flash in the browser provides a competitive advantage to these devices because it will enable their customers to browse the whole Web...We are ready to enable Flash in the browser on these devices if and when Apple chooses to allow that for its users, but to date we have not had the required cooperation from Apple to make this happen."

Flash has indeed spread to near-ubiquity on computers, with better than 98 percent penetration, according to Adobe's statistics. Its roots lay with graphical animations, but its success was cemented by providing an easy streaming video mechanism to a Web that had been plagued with obstreperous and incompatible technology from Microsoft, Apple, and Real.

But a collection of new technologies--including a rejuvenated HTML (Hypertext Markup Language) standard used to write Web pages--are aiming to reproduce some of what Flash offers.

HTML vs. Flash: Can a turf war be avoided? | Deep Tech - CNET News

Why not use OSX?
“Real” OS X Apps on the iPad, Are You Crazy ?!?!? GeekFun

that's a bogus opinion quick...

mac osx is unix and unix can be recompiled to run on arm (other flavors of unix has been done before). just takes work. android is linux and has been stripped down and recompiled to run on practically every processor out there (android phones are arm processors too). mac osx just needs to strip out all that excessive crap to turn it into an embedded os... again, just takes work... nothing new, nothing revolutionary, just lots of work...

apple is just trying to rush to the market with the first embedded touch tablet... however, the competition is running neck to neck for its launch date so they haven't stolen all the thunder quite yet...

I guess time will tell and we'll all be able to
to determine just how bogus Apple's decision
is not to use Mac Osx /Unix.

iPad pre-orders ahead of initial iPhone pre-orders
 

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

apple ipad avail at 9 am this sat
 

who's going to wait in line and get one? not me lol

waits for this:

:barry:

but seriously, who will be buying one? People who want to pay Apple to be their beta testers.

I ordered four of them already for my family and I.

Haha just kidding. I do not currently see any value in these gizmos! Maybe I will get one and wear it on my belt. Then i can be the ultimate fanboy! If only it was a phone too. (note obvious sarcasm):bustingup

I am getting the 3G version (and the 2nd generation which is hopefully better).
Anyone know if the 3G version is unlocked? I know it needs micro-sim which is rare, but have not found any info as to whether it is unlocked or not.

yes its locked. they have contracts for service with the carriers for 3g.

That's why everyone pre-ordered them...the first 1 million inventory is sold out already...

Hmmm. With all the negative comments from every sector
what possible use could people have for it?

1MM? Where are you getting that number from? Businessweek is predicting 200,000 over the weekend, with ~ 2.8MM in 2010 in total.

IPad Sales Are Anyone?s Guess as Analysts Shy From Estimates - BusinessWeek

LOL.. I think you got a couple extra 0's there.. :rolleyes:

April 3rd engadget extensive review.

Apple iPad review -- Engadget

lol.. proud new ipad owners

YouTube - Brand new ipad getting smashed by a baseball bat

Ah yes.... impressive. Those retards really know how to have fun and impress chicks.

No, it's actually "unlocked" :D. It just needs a micro sim card, and AT&T is currently the only U.S. carrier using them.

Exactly what I thought. Now I just need to find blank micro cards so I could clone my sim card for my carrier. Why couldn't they just stick with regular sim cards. They are pretty small already.

BTW, I don't think anyone has the micro cards overseas either except AT&T.

According to Wikipedia:

AT&T Mobility
T-Mobile[1]
Orange[9]
O2 (Telefónica)[9]
NTT docomo[10][11]
H3G

It still would have been easier to just use regular sim cards. And most of these carriers are "considering" it for the iPad and don't have it yet. I think only AT&T, T-Mobile-US, and H3G have them.

I was just reading an article that says you could cut your current sim card with no problem for it to work as a micro-sim.

This may shed some light on why it may not be as simple as cutting
your current sim card.

Why You Can’t Use Your Phone’s SIM in the iPad | Epicenter | Wired.com

This site suggests that it is possible to cut your sim card to the micro size, but in doing so you loose the option of using it as a regular size sim card unless you are able to put it back together somehow.

I think that is an option many people will use if it turns out to work.
I am sure most carriers don't have plans to start using micro sim-cards just for the iPad.

I still don't see the point of it. My 13" netbook has Flash, Microsoft Office, and tethering to my Blackberry. The computer was 300 bucks with a 250gig HDD and 2 gigs of RAM, and I pay nothing over my phone's standard data per month.

and the itouch macro, err.. ipad... is jailbroken.. less than 24hrs folks...

I'd say he wasn't off by much after all.... :dunno:

Apple IPad?s Debut-Weekend Sales May Be Surpassing Estimates - BusinessWeek

iPad Sales Exceed Expectations
Sales of 700,000 units double some estimates
By Bloomberg
Published: April 04, 2010

Apple Inc. is likely to sell more than twice as many iPads in its debut weekend than some analysts estimated, an early sign that Chief Executive Officer Steve Jobs may succeed at reviving demand for table-style computers.

The iPad’s initial sales may have reached 700,000 units, Piper Jaffray & Co.’s Gene Munster said in an interview today. The Minneapolis-based analyst previously predicted sales of 200,000 to 300,000, while Sanford C. Bernstein & Co.’s Toni Sacconaghi projected 300,000 to 400,000.

Oh no;

Couldn't be. Are you sure? "Where are you getting those number from?
perhaps your numbers are off. Remember "Businessweek was predicting
200,000 over the weekend, with ~ 2.8MM in 2010 in total." :rofl:

Is there a way to see the books available in the iBooks app other than thru the iPad?

I am guessing it is still in development, but I want to know if they have my school books and textbooks.

Both have their advantages......:cool:

iPad vs. Netbook: It's a close call | Tablets | Mobile Mac | Macworld

day 1 sales results are in... 300,000 units

Apple sells 300,000 iPads in first day - USATODAY.com

Did you get yours?

me? lol.. nope.. rather wait for the vega android tablet. i'm not a fan of censorship and dictatorship over the apps and how i use my devices. ;)

hardware rocks, no doubt, i'm a fan of that. ui, os, implementation, and post purchase control is what i can't stand about apple

Personally I'm looking forward to the vega android tablet
and any other cutting edge tablet. I believe the competition
and and the subsequent R&D from all platforms will push
the envelope to the max. In the end we will all benefit.

Regarding Apple's censorship, dictatorship, post purchase control
ect, I understand the need and the process and some of the why's.
It's an argument that has gone on for years.

At one point before Steve Jobs came back Apple edged toward
a more open environment and it almost brought the company down.
Apparently their business model and customer base essentially
revolted and this is where we are today.

Most Apple customers prefer the control for abvious reasons.
But the real test will come when Steve Jobs is no longer head of Apple.

For me the issue is clear. One could call it fanboy and all of that
other garbage but the truth is ease of use and the way the
hardware talks to everything thing else Apple is my reason for the
choice.

As an engineer/musician the platform cuts to the chase without
a lot of software hardware issues.

Lots of people want the geek/tweek the hardware OS experience.
Me? I don't need it for what I am doing.
I have in the past done some coding and hardware manipulation
but I'm trying to finish a CD and time just wont allow allow me to
stretch out and embrace other hardware OS outlets these days.
_____

Just like Apple to bait you with the left jab of the iPad release and then floor you with a surprise right hook. On Monday, Apple announced that it would hold a special invitation-only event to “peek into the future of iPhone OS” on April 8.

Edit for additional info. AppleInsider | Apple's iPhone 4.0 to support multitasking via Expose-like interface

Apple announces iPhone 4.0 event on April 8 | Mobile | iPhone Central | Macworld

looks like ipad launched way too early huh? apple forums are full of complaints and issues... wifi, apps crashing, overheating, usb charging, etc etc etc etc

No way, you mean Apple didn't put out a perfect product? hmmmm

And the actual number was 300,000.

So much for your feigned surprise. :rolleyes:

Anyone looking forward to the HP Slate?

That was 300,000 for the day not the weekend. Point is
your numbers were off as well......:rolleyes:

At any rate me and the grandkids did a hands on at the Apple
store yesterday. They thought it was very cool. But like
I have already said, I have no need for it so I'm not buying.

WIll anyone who actually bought one of these tell me what they primarily use it for? It doesn't really replace anything that I can see and it doesn't really do that much well. It isn't the best digital bookreader, it can't multitask, the browser is questionable, the touch screen keybourd isn't better or faster than an actual keybord, the apps (that were designed for the iphone) don't seem to translate that great on the larger ipad screen, it is still bulky to the point where it can't fit in your pocket, etc. I still don't get the need for it other than Apple seems to be the cool gadget and many people like to have the newest thing on the market.

iPhone OS 4

iPhone OS 4 unveiled, adds multitasking, shipping this summer -- Engadget

Coming to iPad in Sept 2010.

No "multitasking"/fast switching for me.
My 3G iPhone is too old....:D

hayaku: You're gonna love this.

Apple's New iPhone App Policy: Unreasonable and Unjustifiable - PCWorld

they are absolutely nucking futs i tell ya...

also, in other news, iphone os 4.0 is jailbroken as well...

What's crazier than Apple's totalitarian developer restrictions are the hard core fanboys blindly defending it as an "enhancement to the user experience". Anyone not drinking the kool aid can see it as an thinly veiled attempt to force app developers commit exclusively to Apple. I guess it's not enough that Apple is forcing the consumer to be Apple exclusive.

Hacker news put's it another way;

What Apple really wants to prevent is people releasing multi-platform compilers. So taking Flash as just one example, if I can build one app and the compiler can make me an iPhone executable, an Android executable, and so forth, Apple doesn't want that.

In my experience so far with such "cross platform compatibility layers," they always produce results that water down each platform's individual strengths and differentiations. And of course, instead of the developer being locked into the phone platform, they are locked into the compatibility layer's platform.

Adobe's Flash compiler is a classic maneuver to "commoditize your complements," as Joel put it so well. Apple doesn't want to be commoditized, especially if it means having apps that don't take advantage of the iPhone's strengths.

Adobe wants to lock developers into Flash and commoditize everything else as Flash-delivery devices. Apple want to commoditize applications and lock developers into their APIs.

That's a bogus argument. From the user's perspective, what's the difference between an application compiled on a cross platform development framework and the exact same (functionally) application coded directly against the Apple APIs? Nothing, except the fact that Apple will allow one but not the other.

Using the Apple APIs doesn't guarantee that applications will use the Appleisms. It only guarantees that Apple will have the their way with 3rd party developers and consumers who use Apple devices. Once developers commit to using the Apple API it will be economically onerous for them to recreate that application for other platforms because it means managing multiple code streams, which is exactly the type of control that Apple wants.

At least being locked into a development framework like Flash doesn't compromise the developer's ability to sell the application. If the developer uses the Apple API and Apple, for whatever reason, says they won't accept it, then the developer is screwed. Only developers towing the Apple line will survive.

This article brought up some interesting points regarding where the "Web"
is headed.

HTML vs. Flash: Can a turf war be avoided? | Deep Tech - CNET News

A difference of opinion among developers has become a high-profile debate over the future of the Web:
should programmers continue using Adobe Systems' Flash or embrace newer Web technology instead?

"The Web (including video, games, animation) is too vital a platform for business, communication,
and society to be in the hands of any single vendor, "But it'll be a while; there is a huge body of existing content that uses Flash."

Very educational stuff that questions the use of Adobe going forward.

wtf... iphone os 4.0 doesn't do true multi-tasking? only allowed for a few select apple apps to multi-task while others are still using the suspend-restart method, just presented on a fancy screen to switch?

lame-o

iPhone OS 4.0: The Multitasking Myth

I'm no fan of Flash either. I'll shed no tears if Flash gets left in the dust in favor of HTML5. At least developers can choose whether or not to use it. The point here is that the direction taken is up to a larger stakeholder community, not a single vendor bent on total control.

It could be that Apple has their mind on something that precludes the use of Adobe.

Six months ago an Apple analyst told me he thought the company’s long-term goal was to become the internet’s cable TV company. I didn’t get it then. I really get it now. Most think of Apple as a computer or consumer electronics company. I think that’s becoming a means to a much bigger end: becoming a giant news, entertainment and communications network with Googillian ambitions.

Most of its money still comes from selling computers, iPhones, iPods and iPads. But with its move into advertising, the spike in revenue from selling iPhone aps (four billion downloads and counting), as well as its move to take a percentage of book and other content sales on the iPad have NEW MEDIA COMPANY written all over them. It is moving to build the self-perpetuating effects that come with such a platform with astonishing speed.

The portals like Yahoo tried this. Their mistake? They didn’t make iPhones or iPads. Turns out, desktop and laptop computers and existing cell phones are lousy at consuming content. Everyone keeps running into the “lean forward lean back” problem. Computers are lean forward devices, but lousy entertainment machines. TVs are great to watch a movie on but lousy at doing email or web surfing.

The iPhone and probably the iPad are the first devices that truly solve this fundamental problem of media convergence. Probably because of their portability and touch screen, we are just as happy to do email and web surf as we are to lean back and watch a video or a movie with handheld, touch-screen devices.

I’ll leave the goodness or badness of Apple’s ambitions to others. What is not debatable however is that what Apple is doing has the potential to be a colossally huge business.

Cable TV companies’ are always constrained by their capital costs (laying and maintaining all that cable). Apple has none of those worries. I appears that for the moment all it has to do is keep making killer devices and software and the rest will take care of itself.

Devices like the iPad and iPhone generate audience, which attracts advertisers (a business Apple just said it was plunging into), which attracts content. It doesn’t hurt that Apple has proven to be one of the few online platforms capable of charging for digital content.

We can debate the pros and cons of Apple’s proprietary standards — as we have, and are — endlessly. As a matter of principal I don’t like them. Practically, they make things so easy that I’m not sure I care. Maybe Google’s model — control the software and let everything else take care of itself — will prove to be a better model.

But that was Microsoft’s model too, and we all know how happy we were about that. Maybe in the long term Apple’s platform will be popular enough, the content good enough and devices usable enough that it won’t have to lock us in.

What is clear is that with each passing day Steve Jobs is looking less and less like Sony’s co-founder Akio Morita and more and more like CBS’s Bill Paley — the man credited with inventing network television.

That is a very big deal indeed.

Fred Vogelstein is writing a book about the intersection of media and tech in Silicon Valley.



Read More Apple Goes Where The Portals Failed: It’s The Hardware, Stupid | Epicenter | Wired.com

Apple says iPad demand is far higher than co predicted and will likely continue to exceed its supply over the next several weeks.

The co says "Although we have delivered more than 500,000 iPads during its first week, demand is far higher than we predicted and will likely continue to exceed our supply over the next several weeks as more people see and touch an iPad. We have also taken a large number of pre-orders for iPad 3G models for delivery by the end of April. Faced with this surprisingly strong US demand, we have made the difficult decision to postpone the international launch of iPad by one month, until the end of May. We will announce international pricing and begin taking online pre-orders on Monday, May 10. We know that many international customers waiting to buy an iPad will be disappointed by this news, but we hope they will be pleased to learn the reason--the iPad is a runaway success in the US thus far."

YouTube - iPad in Car, Pt. 1, First Ever, SoundMan Car Audioi
havent read all this threat but here is something

That is actually pretty sweet.

:iagree: Would be pretty slick if they worked out the kinks.

AAPL

Yup, bought a whole lot when it was at $92.00 WOO HOO :D

Microsoft's Courier tablet was a real product under consideration by Microsoft, but that the company has since ended the project.
Now comes a report from TechCrunch claiming that HP no longer plans to offer its upcoming Windows 7-based "Slate" tablet.

Another One Bites The Dust? HP Reportedly Kills Windows 7 Slate Project - PCWorld

Apple sells 1 million iPads :wow:

Apple says it has sold 1 million of its new iPad tablet computers in the month after its launch, meaning it's been selling more than twice as fast as the iPhone did when it was new.

Apple Inc. of Cupertino, Calif., says it reached the milestone on Friday, when the new 3G model of the iPad was delivered to its first buyers.

Demand keeps exceeding supply, Apple CEO Steve Jobs says in a statement.

OK, so I don't want to admit this in the presence of Quicksilver, but the ipad just became more appealing to me. One of two major appraisal software companies now offers a free app that will allow me to utilize an ipad for sketching and entering subject property information while at the homeowners property. This will replace my clipboard and graph paper as well as unorganized notes. This will save time as the info automatically syncs with my pc when I get home. My only issue is that for the past 9 years I have used the other major appraisal software, so it would mean learning a new system and initial costs, but it has me thinking about it.

Hey if you've found a use for the device then more power to you.
I would be willing to bet that a few folks on this site who have
spent a lot of time bashing it have secretly bought one as well
but won't admit it....:rofl:

As I've said this fixed income retired bum won't be buying
one any time soon.

Another iPad admission:

Wife is getting one very soon. She has waited for competitors to step up but seeing no legitimate alternatives for the foreseeable future, she decided on the iPad*.

* She is a pretty dedicated Mac user with a Mac Pro at home and a brand new Quad Mac Pro with 30" Cinema View at work so she is predisposed to Apple anyway. ;)

I bought one a few weeks ago and love it.

What do you love about it?

Everything.

The touch interface, the incredible software people are writing for it, the ability to relax on the couch without a keyboard and mouse (again touch interface ftw) it's use as an news and eBook reader, media player, map reader, awesome chess player, network hard drive, remote control for home, calendar, maritime chart display, EVERYTHING. I can even use LogMeIn to browse my other computers when I am away from them if I need to.

It really is a revolutionary product. I was skeptical at first but now I am a complete fan. Can't wait to write some apps/sites for it.

No ipad here. I still don't like it. There is plenty to fix. I am surprised at the 1 million iPad sold news though.

What is there to fix?

The only thing it is limited by is software, really...

I think the hardware things it lacks is USB, HDMI output, and camera. There are definitely limitations to the iPad but it is a pretty slick piece of work. My wife is buying one and accepts those limitations and will be using it for entertainment purposes as the gadget that it is. We are both a little ticked at having to buy the proprietary $30 SD card adaptor whereas if the iPad had a USB port we could use others that are (a) not $30 and (b) would accept CF cards as well as SD since my dSLR uses CF cards.

It's great you can get Netflix on it and can watch videos but wouldn't it be nice to output it to a big screen via HDMI? Don't say no because you'd be lying. :p:

I think a camera would be repetitive since most users have smart phones with cameras built into them (iPhones, for example). I wouldn't be surprised if the next iPad has a webcam though.

HDMI out would be nice, for now it does have VGA, component and composite cables available.

As for the dSLR and CF cards - again that would be nice but do you really want to process photographs with it? Seems that work is best left to Photoshop and then uploading them to the device for viewing.

It would be nice to have a USB port - pretty much infinite expandability at that point via external hard drives, card readers and other peripherals.

I am okay with it not having these features though because it does do amazing things for what it is. Pretty much any more advanced uses and I'd rather be at my desktop anyways, or some other more specialized device.

My guess is iPad 2.0 will have the webcam and USB, whether it is regular USB or mini or micro, that is another question.

Yankee Stadium Bans iPads....:dunno:

So Adobe owns Yankee Stadium or what?

Amazing... :wow:

"iPad production is currently running around 1 million to 1.5 million units a month. That could double to more than 2.5 million units a month in the September quarter"

Apple's iPad will be available in nine more countries, including Germany and the U.K., starting Friday. Apple last month delayed the international launch of the device, saying sales in the U.S. were unexpectedly strong. The iPad went on sale in the U.S. in April and has sold more than a million units since.

The iPad is now going to Australia, Canada, France, Italy, Japan, Spain and Switzerland.

Apple has said it plans to release the iPad in Austria, Belgium, Hong Kong, Ireland, Luxembourg, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand and Singapore in July.

Analyst says Apple to make 2.5M iPads per month

The thing I like most about the IPad is that it will fit neatly into the storage area of my passenger seat.

I guess we have the answer.

Apple Sells 2 Million iPads in 2 Months | Gadget Lab | Wired.com

Used at work this past weekend, what a time saver pulling up data and info instantly. Able to access my work's server remotely very easily! :)

Wife and I drove out to nearest Apple store on Saturday after getting the email notification that her 32GB WiFi iPad was ready for pick up. (Kewl: We went to the store at VG.) As usual, the store was packed. Apple is hot stuff!

I must say that I am wanting one. Wife LOVES hers! The iPad is so beautiful. The display is so nice. It has its limitations but what it does do it does well. There are some great free apps. The thing is just so easy and smooth to use. Again, it has its limitations and it is really just a giant iPod Touch so if one does not have expectations beyond that, it shouldn't disappoint.

I am thinking about getting one now. We're both happy with WiFi since we can tether to our rooted Android phones. :D

2MM Sheeple.

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_nbuOynoD7I0/Si..._off_cliff.jpg

Speaking about sheeple....

iPhone users are in plain sight at Microsoft. At the sprawling campus in the Seattle suburb of Redmond, Wash., workers peck away on their iPhone touch-screens in conference rooms, cafeterias and lobbies. Among the top Microsoft executives who use the iPhone is J Allard, who helped create the Xbox game console and is chief experience officer for the entertainment and devices division. Guess what device they will be using next...... :rofl::rofl::rofl:

People said the same thing about toilet paper :nanana:

At least toilet paper has a clearly defined purpose and use. :bustingup

So the iPad has no purpose and there is no way to use it? Riiiiiiiight

Where did i say that? Do you always argue both sides? lol
:rofl:


I do find it funny that YOU likened the iPad to tp though, quite funny. Would you consider the iPad single ply at this stage or 2 ply? :)

I'm not anti-Apple, I'm anti-fanboi....


carry on.

And I guess whatever you believe it's defined purpose
might be prevents it from being used for other
purposes correct? :D

Another one who likes to argue both sides. Must be a sign of old age ;)

Sales is all about marketing and hype. Nobody does it better than Apple. It doesn't legitimize a product's usefulness. Gary Dahl sold 5 million units of a product during a 6 month period back in 1975 and made $15 million. Does that mean it was a useful product? No, it just means there were millions of people going baaahhhh.

This was the product:
http://mofoyo.com.nyud.net/files/images/908.preview.jpg

Note the smooth rounded surfaces, very similar to an iPad. :rofl:

Yep another one who likes to argue one side
with blinders on no less. Demonstrative lack
of vision typical for Windows fan boys ........:rofl::rofl:
You probably bought one already and don't
have the guts to admit it.......:stickpoke

OBTW read the next post about the doctors
and tell us all how useless this device is........:nanana:
Try to keep up technologist........;)

I agree. with the sales is all about marketing and hype and Nobody does it better than Apple. As far as usefullness I believe some folks in this
thread have already testified regarding that part.

Personally I don't know because I don't own one as of yet.
Of course other people like Doctors can speak for themselves.
For example....

Seems everybody is buzzing about Apple's new "magical and revolutionary" product, as the company calls it, and that includes MDs in between consultations or surgeries. One in five doctors say they plan to buy an iPad, according to a survey of 350 clinicians by the San Mateo medical software vendor Epocrates. But of course what do Doctors know?.....:dunno:

Doctors diagnose the iPad's usefulness: vital signs looking good | Technology | Los Angeles Times

Easy. Four in five doctors know not to buy an iPad. ;)

Here's an interesting excerpt from the article:

"Let's say you had a graph of the patient's blood sugar over time," Luo said. "You could show those graphs to the patient pretty easily. You would just sort of pull it up on your electronic medical record and hand the screen to the patient."

Very cool. Now what if the patient asks for a copy to take home? The solution is not very cool and certainly not "magical and revolutionary".

http://images.pcworld.com/news/graph...-print_350.jpg


My family doctor shows me charts all the time. If I ask for a copy it's waiting for me at reception when I leave. Same goes for lab requisitions. He uses a notebook. When you get past the cool factor and it comes down to actually doing something useful from end to end, not just half way, the iPad just doesn't stack up.

Congrats! This is my 5th Apple product! Anyhow I can legally tether for free with my Verizon phone as well! There will be some more cool apps for the iPad in the next coming months!

You are actually defeating your own argument by pointing out the extra steps necessary for a nurse or admin to make an actual copy of the chart, vs the doctor simply pressing PRINT

So satisfied customer = fanboi

ok bro

@nom3rcy,

No, you're wrong. "Satisfied customer" does not equal "fanboy/fanboi". I am a very satisfied customer of Windows 7 (64-bit and 32-bit) but I'm definitely not a fanboi. I probably have more Apple products than Microsoft products.

I don't think that the iPad cuts it yet. It's like the original iPhone; which just didn't deliver enough of anything... When the iPhone 3G came out, I snapped one up and have been happy with that decision (although it's not as good a "product" as Windows 7).

I'm going to buy the iPhone 4 (or HD) when that hits the shelves. I will consider buying the iPad when Apple comes out with a new version that makes it more useful (and improves iTunes etc.).

I refuse to be a sheep... :)

Some iPad trickery.

YouTube - iPad magic sub:E

Bloomy got one!!! :nanana:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/20...mberg_ipad.jpg

Mayor Bloomberg says his iPad saves paper - but the touchscreen is a challenge

That's exactly what the doctor does with his notebook. He presses print and it comes out on the printer at reception. There are no extra steps. You can't print at all from an iPad.

I understand that satisified customer does not equal fanboy. I too have numerous versions of Windows as well as OSX and iGadgets and can see the upsides and downsides of them all. When the iPad first came out I thought it was a waste also, and laughed when Jobs called it revolutionary, but now I see that I was wrong.

The reason the iPhone is so great is because of the UI and the software that runs on it. I simple don't see how making the screen larger and extending battery life makes the iPad an inferior product. It isn't a beta tester so to speak, it runs on a fully developed and real-world tested OS. You can't compare it to the first gen iPhone because that thing sucked in comparison.

I also don't see how Apple could make it much better from a hardware standpoint, and all that is left are the developers writing the software, and those are the people who make it truly useful.

Yes you can, there are hundreds of apps that offer printing. I can print to my laserjet, officejet, or into a pdf, all wirelessly.

So you need to buy an app in order to print as there is no print functionality at the OS level. Can the print apps work stand-alone or do you need to setup a server component on a real computer first?

Most require Bonjour to be installed on whatever computer the printer is connected to.

Bluetooth printing would be an option if you want to go straight to the printer.

I personally haven't printed anything other than a test page though, it isn't a function that I particularly need.

Printer Apps for iPhone reviewed.

Print From Your iPhone – The Top “Printer” iPhone Apps Reviewed | Peripheral Visions

.....and they're off....finding useful, profitable ways for iPads.

Jetstar Airways first to rent out iPads, only $8.40 a flight -- Engadget

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The link at the end of that article is hilarious:

Apple ponders iPad cannibalization of PCs | Nanotech - The Circuits Blog - CNET News

I wonder who's buying these things. It sure ain't Mac users that's for sure.

Here's the answer iPad for business: Apple taking over corporate America | 9 to 5 Mac

Two market researchers on Tuesday revised their forecasts upward for tablets, of which the lion's share in 2010 is Apple's iPad. ABI Research said it "has revisited its forecasts, almost tripling the original estimate to reach about 11 million tablets expected to ship by the end of 2010...based both on the broader availability of the iPad."

iSuppli, another market research firm, was even more bullish. "Amid indications that Apple Inc. is ratcheting up its iPad production targets to meet booming demand, iSuppli Corp. is ratcheting up its shipment forecast as well. iSuppli now predicts Apple will ship 12.9 million iPads in 2010, an increase from the previous forecast issued April 2nd of 7.1 million units."

The only thing crimping iPad shipments is limited production capacity, iSuppli said. "iSuppli believes that the only limitation on iPad sales now is production--and not demand," said Rhoda Alexander, director of monitor research for iSuppli.

More attempts to find valuable usage for the ipad.

The iPad goes to college this fall - CNN.com

I bought mine a week ago. And to say the least, I was a bit disappointed as it did not do all that I expected.
My advice if you plan on procuring one is to skip it out

That is understandable. Whenever people who have never seen an iPad see mine, they almost always ask whether it is a laptop or can replace a laptop and I always unequivocally tell them NO. I tell them that I would not give up my MacBook for my iPad and that they really serve two different purposes. I also tell them that if they get one, to understand the limitations otherwise they'll be disappointed.

And what did you expect it to do??

What do you use each for specifically?

My iPad is my daily Internet appliance when not at home. It's lighter and more portable than my laptop. I use it to surf and email on WiFi. I am posting this from the iPad. I also use it at home for the same purposes when in front of the TV and i use it for Pandora around the house. (Plugged in to speakers.)

I use my MacBook for anything where I have to type more than my iPad virtual keyboard is comfortable for. Word docs, PowerPoint, really long emails, etc. I can manage photos and use programs like Photoshop and Lightroom. There are too many things the iPad can't do but there are times where the MacBook is too much.

Having said that, the iPad is great for daily running around and the internet/email stuff I need to do. I also use apps along the way. It's only a pound and a half, slim, and has great battery life. For travel, iPad is great because of those features. I used to lug my MacBook but I don't need all the power of it when on holiday because all I need is Internet and email. I can tether to my phone for that or use hotel WiFi.

It's a good little gadget. It could be better and they will be better but for what it does, it does it well.

More proof for Ney-Sayers that an iPad is a worthless device. ;) Apple - iOS 4.2 Software Update

Awaiting jailbreak for 4.2 (not the early release but the new 4.2).... :popcorn:

Just got the iPad with Verizon's MiFi service last week and we're very happy with it!

I take the company shuttle to work everyday and use the iPad for browsing, checking mail and recently watch Top Gear... Very nice.

Congrats on the iPad. I was on a long drive last night and had my iPad tethered to a Verizon MiFi. It's very handy and the connection was quite fast. We did the same thing while in Italy with a rental MiFi. It was great having Internet on the train or just while out and about.

With VZ MiFi who needs AT&T 3G? :nanana:

jailbreak is done and cydia is updated for it since last night... less than 12 hrs i think?

4.2 is glitchy on mine, so i reverted back... thank gawd for cydia storing shsh keys so i can revert.

iOnApple: iPad 2 rumored to sport smaller bezel, flat back, and wide-range speakers | Network World

iPad 2 features a thinner bezel, flat back, and chunky wide-range speaker? -- Engadget

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iOnApple: More iPad 2 details emerge - tapered edges | Network World

"WHAT" you mean uninformed sheeple are still buying this pathetic
solution in search of a problem? I cant believe it? :dunno: :rofl::rofl:
Just ask .... OWEN CAIN
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/31/ny...owen.html?_r=1