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AlexK 05-19-2010 12:33 PM

Yet another recall...
 
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Weasel 05-19-2010 01:15 PM

Someone needs to photoshop the lexus emblem on the movie cover for "Total Recall"...

JCL 05-19-2010 02:21 PM

Lexus would be the wrong emblem. GM has had many times the number of recalls that Toyota has had over the past years, as have Ford and Chrysler. GM is an order of magnitude higher, while Ford has four times as many. Even Honda has more recalls than Toyota. Nissan is about the same. BMW has had more recalls than Toyota. Now consider the size of the vehicle populations, with the number of Toyotas out there, and Toyota looks like an even better bet.

Number of vehicles impacted? 9 million for Toyota. 20 million for Ford. I didn't total the GM ones, but it is way up there.

X5rolls 05-19-2010 02:25 PM

I might have missed it but did anyone every determine exactly what the technical issue that Toyota/Lexus can't seem to identify was? Still wouldn't own one of those sofa's with wheels.

JCL 05-19-2010 02:32 PM

Not that I've seen, but when the news media stopped the hype the complaints seem to have slowed down as well. Toyota recalled one model for an accelerator pedal that was subcontracted out. Ford and Nissan both reportedly use the same component, but they didn't recall it. Lots of smoke, not much fire. One report showed that Toyota unintended acceleration events happened at the same frequency (based on car population numbers) as other manufacturers. So, there may never be anything to find.

X5rolls 05-19-2010 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JCL (Post 742617)
Not that I've seen, but when the news media stopped the hype the complaints seem to have slowed down as well. Toyota recalled one model for an accelerator pedal that was subcontracted out. Ford and Nissan both reportedly use the same component, but they didn't recall it. Lots of smoke, not much fire. One report showed that Toyota unintended acceleration events happened at the same frequency (based on car population numbers) as other manufacturers. So, there may never be anything to find.

Seems like Toyota is getting off too easy. Without a definitive cause it seems way too open ended from a safety perspective.

X5rolls 05-19-2010 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexK (Post 742625)
? They did identify all of teh issues, that's why they initiated recalls - to fix the already identified issues...

Anyway, you can read all about all of the issues (there were many of them, depending on model) and the fixes for them here, straight from Toyota (click on teh link and scroll down):
Toyota Vehicles : Toyota Recall January 2010: Gas Pedal Recall / Toyota

I'm referring to the unattended acceleration. They know the symptom but couldn't figure out the real reason. The core underlying cause. Clearly it wasn't the pedal or the floor mat in all cases.

JCL 05-19-2010 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexK (Post 742625)
? They did identify all of the issues, that's why they initiated recalls - to fix the already identified issues...

In some cases, they initiated recalls to appease the NHTSA, ie with the accelerator pedal that could return more slowly. The component was shown to not be able to apply the throttle, it was never responsible for any unintended acceleration incidents (confirmed afterwards by Toyota and by the subcontractor), and yet consumers who went in for that recall think that something got fixed that made them safer.

They found specific items that recalls fixed, like the stability control issue. But do we know specifically if there was a mechanical or electrical issue causing unintended acceleration? No.

JCL 05-19-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexK (Post 742629)
Yes, but did the Ford recalled all of 20 millions during 2 years? Toyota is only starting with all its recalls, you just wait for another year or so when they will start recalling other junk they made :p: Besides, as far as I know (from a personal experience of asking other people's opinions) Ford's vehicles in general were never considered as "reliable" as Toyota's (or especially Lexus ones) :p:

No, Ford never had more than 7 million in one year. If you combine two Ford recalls on a single issue (the cruise control recall) which was spread over two years, that was 14 million vehicles. Toyota's aren't all one issue or all in one year either.

If you rank the automakers by market share, and number of vehicles impacted, Edmunds puts Toyota at #17 out of 20. The worst (#1) was Landrover. VW was #4, Chrysler was #7 (twice the recalled vehicles as Toyota, with the same market share), Ford was #10, GM was #11, BMW was #14, Honda was #16. The above is based on 2001 - 2010 statistics.

Toyota did a poor job of media relations, but that isn't a comment on product quality.

Are you targeting Toyota because of their good reputation for quality over the years?

CarsRmyVICE 05-19-2010 09:02 PM

JCL - Maybe toyota should hire you. That post should be in a commercial. They ought be more aggressive and less ....lay back and apologize while you stick with us hahahaha My mother is the typical lexus owner and she is not even going to consider a new lexus after owning one for ten years problem free because of this fiasco. I have no objections haha


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