Digital DSP, Sirius and CD Changer?
 

Does anyone know if it's possiblet to have Digital DSP, a CD changer that uses the digital coax, and still do Sirius? I'm concerned about the connections from the Sirius to the CD Changer since on a non-DSP setup, both the 6 and 3 pin connectors are connected from the Sirius unit to the CD Changer -- but what happens with the DSP CD Changer?

What year is your X5?

It's a 2000 with Digital DSP, but has an updated tuner installed that supports Sirius and AUX. I've checked the back of the changer and it uses the coax.

Is the 6-pin cable present also? If not, we can still help. I will also need to know if you are Business CD or Navigation equipped.

It's a 2000 X5, with factory navigation wiring. Upgraded flat pin tuner, DVD MkIV, 16:9 widescreen. CD Changer with live coax cable, so I assume digital DSP since there's no six-pin connector and the CD Changer works. I have a -140 receiver, and these two harnesses: 84 11 0 141 977 and 84 11 0 141 978. But, because it's a coax in the back of the CD changer, I don't think I can keep the CD changer in this setup so the latter cable probably won't get used.

Don't see a 6-pin, but even if there was one, wouldn't it be dead?

Yes, but we would make it live for Sirius interaction, here are the pieces you would need:

Sirius Satellite Radio - e53 X5
http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...roducts_id=274

CD Changer/Sirius Analog Cable for NAV vehicles
http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...roducts_id=381

Also, do you know the production date on your radio tuner? If not, we will need to perform a software check to make sure it is compatible for Sirius.

I just went out to the back of my X5 to take a look, and the only connectors I see that aren't directly connected to the amp or round connectors (which I believe are for the X5) are the 3 pin connector for the changer, the coax connector and a black 12-pin connector.

Do you know what this 12-pin connector is for, and what do you think my options are?

Sirius will not use the coaxial connector, but instead use the Analog cable I linked before. Did you get a production date from your radio?

If not, we can perform a software check. Give me a call tomorrow morning from your X5 and I'll run down the procedures.

Thanks Tom. It's a 65 12 6 943 449 tuner out of a 2005 X5. The tuner's not currently installed in the car, I have the install planned for Friday/Sat, but wanted all the pieces in hand to have a smooth install. It looks like it might be produced in the 38th week of 2004 (KW: 38/04).

To recap, the cable that you linked to eliminates the ability to have a CD changer, but enables the use of a Sirius tuner? Or it enables you to keep the CD changer and simply use the 6 pin analog connector for Sirius -- even though there's no 6 pin connector in the trunk?

That's good news, the radio is compatible.

The radio may switch the system to analog DSP, we'll find out when you perform your install. If you remain in Digital DSP mode, the CD Changer will use the coaxial port and the Sirius will use the 6-pin for audio. If you go to analog DSP, both Sirius and the CD Changer will share the 6-pin audio port, and the coaxial port will shut down.

If you have a CD Changer, this cable will needed also:

DICE iPod/CD Changer/Sirius Interface Cable
http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...roducts_id=235

A final nugget of information which may prove useful -- the car this tuner came out of didn't have DSP (I happen to have the amp that came from the same car). Does that determine whether it switches from digital DSP to analog DSP?

And lastly, what should I make of the fact that there's no 6-pin connector? How will we be "creating" one?

The Sirius Analog Cable in post #6 is your new 6-pin connector. This will insert into the empty pin sockets in your radio tuner plug - we'll show you how to do this.

The additional amp is not needed - your correct one is just fine.

Tom,
Thanks for your help in getting my system up in running. I installed the new tuner (replacing a round pin C43? tuner), using the cables found here:

http://www.bimmernav.com/images/S3500059.jpg

here:

http://www.bimmernav.com/images/7-8-04018.jpg

and here:

http://www.bimmernav.com/images/7-8-04015.jpg

I was surprised that the first cable required both the black and white connectors to be hooked in, but it turned out it was required to have the nav voice working.

Since I'm working with Digital DSP, there was only one of the silver connectors from the older tuner harness connected. I also went ahead and added in the factory aux in at the connector as well, and that works.

But, as you surmised before I started, one of the two things you indicated happened -- the digital coax cable looks like it turned off and the CD changer no longer works.

At this point, I just want to get my CD changer working again -- is the cable you mentioned sufficient? (Even in light of the fact that I used the retrofit cables?)

Will I be jumping out pins from that connector and putting them into the current connector going into my tuner? Does it prevent me from having the factory aux-in?

From your posts in this thread, I gather I'll need to order this to get my CD changer working again:

http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...roducts_id=235

And this to integrate my Sirius unit into the setup:

http://www.europeanautosource.com/pr...roducts_id=381

In order to get my Sirius unit working -- is there anything else?

And, at the end of the day, I'll have aux-in, an updated tuner, a working CD changer, and Sirius?

One last wrinkle, I'm planning to add the VSM when they get back in stock -- does any of this mess make that an issue?

I'm ready to order as soon as I can sort this out, just let me know. And thanks again for your help!

You've got the correct links listed, get those 2 cables and you'll be set. Afterwards, you'll have the CD Changer and Sirius as separate modes.

The VSM can easily be added at a later date. :)

Tom,
Got the part in the mail, and from the looks of the part, it looks like I need to add pins into the existing white connector from that retrofit cable. Think you could help me out re where these pins should go? Should I call EAS or can you PM the info?

Thanks!

Sure. On the small black 12-pin plug on the radio tuner, you will insert the pins into the following positions.

Red/White - Pin #4
Blue/White - Pin #3
Brown/White - Pin #10

Afterwards, you'll be up and running!

Thanks Tom, one question though:

Pins 3, 4 and 10 on the black plug look like where the aux in plugs in as well. Should the aux in red, blue and brown pins be placed elsewhere?

My mistake - these will need to go into the CD Changer ports, You were given AUX.

CD Changer Pinout (White 12-pin plug):

Red/White - Pin #8
Blue/White - Pin #9
Brown/White - Pin #2

Thank you Tom! Everything hooked up without incident. I now have Nav, Sirius, Aux In, CD changer and Bluetooth working on my car -- an early 3/2000 build -- as well as analog DSP now. Couldn't have done it without your help! Looking forward to the VSM's coming back into stock, and my setup will then be complete...

Awesome - thanks for following up. We should have the harnesses back in stock in a couple of weeks and all backorders shipped immediately.