New version of V26 hacked with toggle for Pointing North
 

The latest version of the hacked V26 has been updated. Below is the concept.

The button for Travel Direction toggles between the options Travel Direction and Pointing North.

I just uploaded, to http://www.xoutpost.com/members/ambishop/ as navboot-toggle.zip. Just drop this navboot file in your V26 image just like you did with the previous version under the proper directory.

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I have not testing this personally as as I am messing with trying to figure out why my aux input will not work on my carpc.

I have the Aux option as an option, but it dissapears after a short usage.
My aux is setup on a homemade harness with 3x 100KOhm resistors in series, between right and left channels, and a .22 uF Polyester Film Capacitor inline between the aux connector and radio. The resistor is closest to the audio jack.

Does anyone have a BMW version that I can look at to see how they do it? as I am using the wiring diagram on the last page here http://www.bmwmotorsports.org/pdf/BM...stallation.pdf

I assume the reference to a 0,22 cap is 0.22 in "American English" Also does it matter that I have 3 100K Ohm resistors in series, or would the tolerance of 5% having three of these cause an issue? I am open to any ideas as this is driving me crazy. I have been messing with it for too long. Maybe I should jsut buy the BMW part....

Martin

Hi Martin,

The MINI's are notorious for doing this. It appears that there is a grounding problem with the AUX connector mode on the head unit that causes the problem. My AUX input was doing the EXACT same thing (i.e. disappearing as an option/mode from the head unit) until I installed a simple ground loop isolator. I picked the isolator up from RadioShack for $16.99 (part number 270-054) and wired it inline with the AUX input. Once the isolator was installed, I never had the problem again.

BTW, on my car I could also temporarily work around the problem of the Aux mode disappearing from the head unit by simply not inserting my audio device's connector all the way into AUX input.

Weird...

I hope this helps some.

-- MIKE

The navboot file appear to work perfectly, many thanks!!!

I'll test it a bit and report back any problems.

Sorry this thread is taking on a new life....

thanks! That makes perfect sense. I am sure I have one of those around here somewhere.

I am pulling my hair out with it, and just ordered a BMW Aux input cable to swap out.

Martin

Pictures of the system in action.

http://www.bimmerboard.com/forums/posts/164175

Supports the ability to map direction from pointing in direction of travel to pointing North, by selecting Item for Travel Direction

Worked great for me, but use this and any other hacked BMW software at your own risk

martin
www.bimmernav.com

Hi Ambishop,

Just a small question: why has the original V26 300MB and the hacked only 70MB? Could there be something left?

Greetz,

Minister

This is probably because the original V26 has software on it for other Navigation Systems e.g. MKV, MKIII, etc. Martin's image only has the MKIV firmware.

@ programmers:
Is it possible to add "Perspective" mode in the menu to have all three options at once ("Direction of travel", "Face North" and "Perpective") without toggle between split screen and full screen? Or is it a thing that I would never have again, like in version V26.09A?
It would be more simple to choose any of these modes without the toggle trick.
Thanks a lot to all who works on this project to make it possible!

Check this out!

Today I helped someone upgrade thie Nav computer to V26 Perspective and It DID NOT CHANGE to LOOSE the USE settings.

He was origially at v12. Seriously. Anyway, I put in v24.1, rebooted, then put in v26.09 rebotted then V26 Perspective mode and THE MKIV STAYED IN US MODE!

I was really suprised, as every one up by software installs were UPGRADES. Since I never went back a level I never lost the settings. I was really impressed, as I had no idea that you could have v26.09 WITH perspective and be in US mode without it being recoded.

Anyway, I thought that I would share.
US coded from V12 to v24.1 to v26.09 to v26 Perspective HACK kept it in US mode.

I am liking this Perspective mode hack a lot better than the buggy v26.09, every time I use the thing

Martin
www.bimmernav.com

Correct. I did not change any of the other files, so I left them out. since this is ONLY for the Ibus MKIV no other firmware is in the image.

Anyone like the toggle version over the Perspective version?

HOW ABOUT THE TOGGLE PERSPECTIVE VERSION FROM POINTING NORTH TO DIRECTION OF TRAVEL. NOBODY HAS SAID A WORD ABOUT THAT ONE? --sorry for the caps ~:->

are u talking about a version that replaces travel direction w/ Perspective?
i, too, would like that. i think the one listed in this thread replaces pointing north w/ Perspective. so, u end up w/ Perspective and Travel Direction;
which, are basically the same view.:dunno:

I'm shocked! Are you reading the thread and the TOPIC NAME???
This is the beginning of the first thread message:
About this subj - great idea. I'll change my firmware ftom 2609 to 26P, when I go to garage. I think, people waiting for a new version:) .

Quick question for Martin (AMBISHOP) about the posted files in the 'filestore'.

What is the difference between the Alcohol120% images v26_toggle and v26_toggle3d? Which is the best image to use?

Also, should the menu item tag change to say 'Direction of Travel' & 'Pointing North' or should it always just say 'Direction of Travel'? Loaded the toggle image last night and I believe it works as described but for some reason I expected the menu item text to change. Anyway, I think this version is excellent but wonder if as has been suggested the 'Direction of Travel' menu item may be the better one to toggle - as this may hide the hack from any prying eyes of BMW service staff?

And just a BIG thanks for getting this working - I have had no end of ribbing from friends in the 'TomTom' brigade who thing their stick-on boxes are far superior as they have the 3d perspective - HAH!!

Just off to fiddle with the logo now

Installed the navboot-toggle version on my MkIV sat nav with no problems at all...complete with a custom logo :)

All I did was take the original V26 ISO, and replace the navboot file with the one supplied by amibishop, and saved the ISO, then burnt to a CD.

I downgraded from V26 to V24 (couldn't find the V25 CD), and then upgraded to the perspective/toggle hacked V26 version.

I haven't used the V26.09 beta software at all, so I've no worries about anything breaking.

Weirdly you can only choose perspective mode when in split screen. You can then revert to fullscreen after with no issues. Shame there aren't any road names in the perspective view though :(

NavMan

did u notice if ur now in European Mode (ie. Yards vs. Feet)?

as a matter of fact, i am reading the thread and the TOPIC NAME.
all i was mearly trying to do was to clear up some confusion w/
ambishop's post. to others - "HOW ABOUT THE TOGGLE PERSPECTIVE
VERSION FROM POINTING NORTH TO DIRECTION OF TRAVEL. NOBODY
HAS SAID A WORD ABOUT THAT ONE? --sorry for the caps ~:->" -
that may be very confusing. sorry to put u in a state of shock.:confused:

and to be quite honest, the TOPIC NAME could also be quite confusing
to others. just my $.02

I dont know English so good, but I understand his message like this : first hacked version was named "perspective" and "Pointing north" option was changed to "Perspective". Second hacked version was named "toggle perspective" and "Pointing north" option was changed like that : if you are in "pointing north" mode and choose this option one more time - you'll go to "direction of travel" mode. If you choose it again - you'll go to "pointing north" mode back.
I put the wrong word in my message. This is not "shocked", but I was surprised by your question.

again, i was mearly just trying to clear up any confusion that
ambishop's post might cause others.

ok, so if i read ur post correctly, the 1st version had only 2 viewing
options (Perspective and Travel Direction). the 2nd version has all
3 viewing options (Pointing North, Perspective and Travel Direction).
w/ this 2nd version, Travel Direction is always visable; however, a
user can toggle between Perspective and Pointing North. if this is
the case, that clears a whole heck of a lot up for me.

i think, what most users are requesting is, instead of the toggle
being between Perspective and Pointing North, it should be between
Perspective and Travel Direction; keaving Pointing North always available.

does that make sense?:dunno:

Yes, with this version you can set any of three available map positions. That's what some users wanted, and even more - it's universal version for all users.

any idea if they're gonna give us a version that leaves "Pointing North"
and allows user to toggle between "Perspective" and "Travel Direction?"

I'm agree with you, that your variant is little bit more logical, but I think that there will be a version soon with all three options in the menu.:) Lets wait some time.

That's what I'd also consider the most logical variant!

7erAce

This toggle version is spot on for me (and a few people at work). Great work!:thumbup:

Just a quick question, as this post actually had TWO new versions.

Who is running Toggle and who is running Toggle 3D

http://www.xoutpost.com/members/ambishop/

Toggle 3D should give you the option to toggle the Perspective mode....

Martin

whatever version i am running, i have Perspective Mode.
Travel Direction is always available.
i assume i'm running toggle 3d.:dunno:

Martin,

I couldn't get either of the Alcohol120% images to work - they both seemed to switch off the perspective mode.

I built one just using the navboot-toggle file placed into the V26 release disk image. Can you just place the navboot file for the Toggle 3D in your filestore and I will give it another go?

Thanks,

Mark.

Hi Martin,

I was looking at the forums on bimmerboard, and noticed a post from Solihull, that said Tyre and himself were testing what they were calling V28, that allows BIG splash screens etc..and they would post it up soon.

I noticed in the screenshots he put up, that they had perspective view in full screen, and the menu had all 3 options listed "Perspective; Pointing North; Direction of Travel".

I am right in thinking that this is a brand new hacked version? Yet to be released?

Also can you calrify the toggle, and toggle3d differences? I installed toggle today, and it's great, but of course can only be switched to perspective from split screen mode. So with 3d toggle, can I toggle between 2D "Direction of Travel", and "Pointing North" by choosing the 2D menu option, and also toggle between 3D perspective "direction of travel" and 3d perspective "pointing north"..

P.S. I've sent nomad a few emails but he hasn't got back to me yet.. I desperately want to help out here. I'm a programmer myself, and given the correct OS9000 tools from Nomand, I'm sure I can help out.. I just can't figure out at the moment how to modify the disassembled file split from the navboot file..

I've looked at the navboot split files, and they're all in hex, so as far as I can see I need an OS9000 developer program to modify the files, resave them, and reinsert them back into the navboot file..

Thanks,

NavMan

If it's not so hard, please, upload navboot-toggle3D.zip
Cant imagine, how perspective pointing north mode looks like...

Tyre is using v26.09. I advised him to consider another version. I did not like the issues with v26.09 myself. I use the search function a LOT and wanted it back.

The new toggle 3D perspective is cool. You can have Perspective mode with map pointing north, OR in direction of travel

Correct. Toggle 3D has 4 modes

Map in Direction of travel 2D
Map pointing North 2D

Map in direction of travel 3D Perspective mode
Map pointing North 3D Perspective mode

They are chosen by selecting one of the two menu items in the split screen mode. Full screen WORKS for any 4 modes, but the menu items were not changed.

Martin

You might be in full screen mode. the menu items were not changed in Full screen.

zip file uploaded

ambishop, which splash-screen logo have you put into the toggle-3d-version?

standard of course. ~;-) You can do anything you want with that file. It is just setup for perspective mode using the v26 code

can you explain, how you changed the navboot?

Had a good play with the toggle 3d update - it's very very useful. Have shown it to both BMW nav owners and non-BMW nav 'other nav' users who are also a) keen to get and b) jealous!!

One feeling expressed - and this isn't in any way a criticism but may make the user interface more useable (if this is possible) would be to:

Keep the original Menu tags for Pointing North and Travel Direction. Then (if possible) put the 3d perspective function for each mode behind that menu item, so for example selecting Pointing North would toggle between the 2D and 3D Pointing North mode, and selecting Travel Direction would toggle between 2D and 3D Travel Direction.

Comments from friends were that it wasn't always easy to determine quickly what mode you were in or were going to be in - but if the structure above were possible, then you knew if you selected Pointing North you would get either 2D or 3D North with each press.

Not being in any shape or form a programmer, I don't know if this is possible within the realms of the facilities currently being exploited. If it were, I feel it would make the interface more intuative and also more 'hidden' from any inquisitive BMW Service reps etc.

Keep up the excellent work.

Mark.