Home Forums Articles How To's FAQ Register
Go Back   Xoutpost.com > Off-topic > The Lounge
Fluid Motor Union
User Name
Password
Member List Premier Membership Today's Posts New Posts

Xoutpost server transfer and maintenance is occurring....
Xoutpost is currently undergoing a planned server migration.... stay tuned for new developments.... sincerely, the management


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 01-30-2006, 01:04 PM
Juanted's Avatar
Moderator/Admin/Premier Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 5,684
Juanted is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scottie
I honestly thought the post was about the Hamas winning the election and how Europe and USA etc didn't want to deal with them.
It is...

Vignesh's point is that attacking W. and Blair are not necessarily related to the question at hand...

Juan
__________________
Whenever I text "Barack," my phone suggests the word "Capable." I guess my my phone IS pretty smart.
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links

  #12  
Old 01-30-2006, 04:52 PM
JCL's Avatar
JCL JCL is offline
Premier Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 11,850
JCL will become famous soon enoughJCL will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinuneuro
"The United States is not prepared to fund an organization that advocates the destruction of Israel, that advocates violence and that refuses its obligations"

Do you actually have a problem with this? Because this is really what it's about.
I have absolutely no problem with this, I think the US should think about this question and have a plan. However, I don't think it is the only point raised in the AP article. Refer to the opening paragraph.

The interesting point to me is that the US wants other nations to do the same, according to Rice. Wanting is fine. The next step is pressuring, which is interfering in the affairs of other countries. Let's see where it goes in the next while.

I can't help but think that there are parallels here with Cuba, the US, and Canada (insert other countries here), and the big kid on the block telling everyone how it is going to be.
__________________
2007 X3 3.0si, 6 MT, Premium, White

Retired:
2008 535i, 6 MT, M Sport, Premium, Space Grey
2003 X5 3.0 Steptronic, Premium, Titanium Silver

2002 325xi 5 MT, Steel Grey
2004 Z4 3.0 Premium, Sport, SMG, Maldives Blue
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 01-31-2006, 02:38 AM
X5Flyboy's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: ID, and a world of my own
Posts: 2,271
X5Flyboy is on a distinguished road
With ALOT of restraint, let me say this. One of the first things I learned in the military was don't complain unless you have a better solution. Isolationism and ignoring what is happening in other countries brought us 2 world wars,(thank you, Europe). There are no perfect solutions. With nuclear weapons, you can't wait until the bombs drop, to deal with the problem(Iran). As far as the last Iraq war, it was still part of the 1st, after waiting for the UN to do its job and what it said it would do for 10yrs. Saddam killed thousands after the 1st one who rose up thinking the UN and the world was going to help them. Tell me, WHEN do you think it's time to act? Of course, if the USA waited that long, you'd be speaking German, wouldn't you?

Sorry, I get alittle tired of bad mouthing with no viable alternatives.
__________________
Mark _______________________________
2001 X5 4.4i topaz blue/sand Sport, complete Dinan S2 , hitch, V1, tint, BSW Stage 1, Alpine INA-W910BT
___________
Life is not fair!
You can't protect people from their own stupidity!
Laughter makes life worth living
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 01-31-2006, 06:37 AM
Wagner's Avatar
..make it happn' capn'
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Mt. Airy, MD
Posts: 17,686
Wagner is on a distinguished road
Don't miss my point. My point of the original post wasn't that "I think Hamas is fine" it was more along the lines of if the US chooses to not agree with a democraticly elected leader, fine. If the US chooses not to do business with this country, fine. If the US chooses to not do business with countries that do business with this leader, fine. BUT don't tell other countries they have to elect certain people or they can't play with any other country in the world...which is what Rice is attempting to do. This is why the US gets a bad rap around the world.


Side Note:

burkleymh - The US was running guns/machinery to Europe long before "entering" WWII. US has a funny way of entering a war without entering it.
__________________

An unwavering defender of those I see worth protecting.

"promote the general welfare, not provide the general welfare"

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 01-31-2006, 07:24 AM
X5Flyboy's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: ID, and a world of my own
Posts: 2,271
X5Flyboy is on a distinguished road
Fortunately we had some people who realized you cannot ignore what was happening elsewhere in the world. Of course, some of the methods used to get around the isolationalists are 'illegal' today(and were then).

As far as Hamas and other hostile govts (which sometimes includes alot of our 'friends'), we send alot of $ in aid (Israel & Egypt #1 & #2) all around the world. Wouldn't you ask for some concessions for giving $ to bad risks? Is it too much to ask that if you want our $ to stabilize and grow your country that we deal with a govt willing to negotiate peacefully differences of opinion? Frankly, I think we give too much money away and not enough construction and health aid that bypasses corrupt 'officials'. Even in our own country $ to various 'charities' never make it to the people. The accounting of Jesses Jackson's 'Operation Push' are so messed up (deliberately?) the auditors can't find millions of $. Yet this 'charity' is untouchable because... well, you tell me. The main reason I call myself a republican is Hubert Humphrey, then VP. Nicaragua just had a devastating earthquake and he said, "I think the American people would want to give them 250 million dollars."
Period, end of sentence. Not send food, doctors, medical supplies, construction equipment and/or crews,... no, just send dollars. I just wish our aid would actually get to the people who need it.
__________________
Mark _______________________________
2001 X5 4.4i topaz blue/sand Sport, complete Dinan S2 , hitch, V1, tint, BSW Stage 1, Alpine INA-W910BT
___________
Life is not fair!
You can't protect people from their own stupidity!
Laughter makes life worth living
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 01-31-2006, 01:25 PM
DinanX5's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Northern NJ
Posts: 762
DinanX5 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by WagnerX5
...I don't remember huge headlines every day denouncing US leaders following the 2000 elections?
Um... I do. Not that I paid much attention to them, but I certainly do remember several nations chipping their 2 cents in on our elections.
__________________
- Aaron

/// My X Page ///
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 01-31-2006, 02:33 PM
Thunder22's Avatar
Wait... what?
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: LI/TX
Posts: 11,154
Thunder22 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scottie
Well I disagree it does have something to do with the above topic.

E'hhh lets see why did messrs Blair & Bush get rid of "sadman" didn't want him to be leader and the fact he supports terrorism.??
How about because he's a mass murderer and torturer? If he were the PM of Scotland I'm sure you'ld have a different opinion.
__________________
You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 02-01-2006, 01:53 PM
ylwjacket's Avatar
God, Country, Family - nuff said
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Northern Georgia
Posts: 1,109
ylwjacket is on a distinguished road
Scottie -

First - DO NOT APOLOGIZE for expressing your views.
Second - obviously, most of us here are American, and a probably more than not are relatively conservative.
Third - In spiteof what may be broadcast overseas, our entire society is built upon free expression of ideas. Hence, my comment #1.
Next - In the free expression of views, things can get a little heated. That is natural, and is not a reason to apologize. W/O these debates, we would atrophy as a society.
Fifth - American politics are extremely divided right now, with about half the country liberal and half conservative. That sometimes makes things ugly.
Sixth - regardless of our internal views and disagreements, Americans will circle their wagons, and strike back hard when threatened from the outside. We generally value our society, the freedoms and liberties it includes, and we will fight for all its worth and all it means to us. Regardless of our liberal/conservative leanings, we are an innately (word?) fiercely patriotic people.
Seventh - I, for one, value opinions from our friends overseas. I might not always agree with them, and you or anyone might suffer the occasional STFU, but I value them nonetheless.
Last - It is probably impossible to understand what it feels like to be an American these days. We are blessed with opportunity, freedom, and free will like no other society on earth. We have our warts, no doubt. However, it sometimes seems that we can do no good in the world. We are constantly under assault. It gets to be a heavy load sometimes. I look at it as a burden of prosperity. That doesn't make it any more fun. For the Average American (and Average Americans have little interest in politics), it is hard to understand why, when they are working hard, trying to put thier kids throiugh school, living a life of minding their own business, people abroad seem to hate our guts.

Hang in there kid.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 02-01-2006, 04:30 PM
DinanX5's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Northern NJ
Posts: 762
DinanX5 is on a distinguished road
Very well said, ylwjacket...
__________________
- Aaron

/// My X Page ///
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 02-01-2006, 04:35 PM
Juanted's Avatar
Moderator/Admin/Premier Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Charlotte, NC
Posts: 5,684
Juanted is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by ylwjacket
Scottie -

First - DO NOT APOLOGIZE for expressing your views.
Second - obviously, most of us here are American, and a probably more than not are relatively conservative.
Third - In spiteof what may be broadcast overseas, our entire society is built upon free expression of ideas. Hence, my comment #1.
Next - In the free expression of views, things can get a little heated. That is natural, and is not a reason to apologize. W/O these debates, we would atrophy as a society.
Fifth - American politics are extremely divided right now, with about half the country liberal and half conservative. That sometimes makes things ugly.
Sixth - regardless of our internal views and disagreements, Americans will circle their wagons, and strike back hard when threatened from the outside. We generally value our society, the freedoms and liberties it includes, and we will fight for all its worth and all it means to us. Regardless of our liberal/conservative leanings, we are an innately (word?) fiercely patriotic people.
Seventh - I, for one, value opinions from our friends overseas. I might not always agree with them, and you or anyone might suffer the occasional STFU, but I value them nonetheless.
Last - It is probably impossible to understand what it feels like to be an American these days. We are blessed with opportunity, freedom, and free will like no other society on earth. We have our warts, no doubt. However, it sometimes seems that we can do no good in the world. We are constantly under assault. It gets to be a heavy load sometimes. I look at it as a burden of prosperity. That doesn't make it any more fun. For the Average American (and Average Americans have little interest in politics), it is hard to understand why, when they are working hard, trying to put thier kids throiugh school, living a life of minding their own business, people abroad seem to hate our guts.

Hang in there kid.
Even if he is a republican...

Juan
__________________
Whenever I text "Barack," my phone suggests the word "Capable." I guess my my phone IS pretty smart.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On





All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:33 PM.
vBulletin, Copyright 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0
© 2017 Xoutpost.com. All rights reserved. Xoutpost.com is a private enthusiast site not associated with BMW AG.
The BMW name, marks, M stripe logo, and Roundel logo as well as X3, X5 and X6 designations used in the pages of this Web Site are the property of BMW AG.
This web site is not sponsored or affiliated in any way with BMW AG or any of its subsidiaries.