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Old 05-07-2006, 07:36 PM
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The Immigration Debate

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Old 05-07-2006, 09:20 PM
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A few facts from the LA Times.

1. L.A. County has 10 million people. 40% of all workers in L.A. County
are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are
predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

2. Of the 10 million people in L.A. County, 5.1 million people speak
English. 3.9 million speak only Spanish.

3. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

4. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal
aliens.

5. Over two-thirds of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal
alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

6. Nearl y 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are
Mexican nationals here illegally.

7. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in
garages.

8. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most
likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

9. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

10. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish language only.

Here are a few more facts on a national scale:

1. Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 36% are on
welfare.

2. Over 70% of the United States annual population growt h (and over 90%
of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.

3. The United States receives more immigrants every year than the rest
of the world combined.

4. The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET
(after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 BILLION a year [Professor
Donald Huddle, Rice University].

5. The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the
average adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE.

6. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.
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Old 05-08-2006, 12:24 AM
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The par-tay appears to be ending...when was that LAT article published? Thanks for posting...
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Old 05-08-2006, 01:35 AM
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1. Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 36% are on welfare.
Uhh...you need a SS# in order to collect welfare. If you are illegal, you cannot collect because you don't have a SS.

Perhaps that stat applies to legal immigrants? Or even total immigrants (legal and illegal)??
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Old 05-08-2006, 02:55 AM
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Uhh...you need a SS# in order to collect welfare. If you are illegal, you cannot collect because you don't have a SS.

Perhaps that stat applies to legal immigrants? Or even total immigrants (legal and illegal)??
As a clarification, legal immigrants who have not yet been naturalized and remain under permanent resident status are not entitled to receive welfare for 10 years after entering the United States.

These statements usually refer to the childen of illegal immigrants; these children who are born on U.S. soil are entitled to means-tested benefits.

For the month of January 2006 in the county of Los Angeles, "98,703 children of 57,458 undocumented parents received Cal-WORKS welfare checks in January, or a total of 156,161 recipients."

"If incorporated into a city, it would be the sixth-largest city in Los Angeles County..."

http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_3751199

It's time to change the 14th Amendment. The childen of undocumented immigrants should not become U.S. citizens by birthright. They should instead inherit the status of their parent(s). That alone should eliminate some of the incentives to cross the border illegally.
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Old 05-08-2006, 03:04 AM
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It's time to change the 14th Amendment. The childen of undocumented immigrants should not become U.S. citizens by birthright. They should instead inherit the status of their parent(s). That alone should eliminate some of the incentives to cross the border illegally.
I would agree with that. I don't think it would remove all incentive to cross the border illegally though. I doubt many women sneak across the border with the plan to get pregnant, have a kid, and collect welfare. I could be wrong, but I doubt this is a sizable number we are talking about here. I think it just happens once they are here. If you remove the welfare, then you will just have a bunch of hungry and homeless kids like you have here in NY.

I'm not sure what the numbers are out there, but in NYC over 50% of the homeless people are children under the age of 12.
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I would agree with that. I don't think it would remove all incentive to cross the border illegally though. I doubt many women sneak across the border with the plan to get pregnant, have a kid, and collect welfare. I could be wrong, but I doubt this is a sizable number we are talking about here. I think it just happens once they are here. If you remove the welfare, then you will just have a bunch of hungry and homeless kids like you have here in NY.

I'm not sure what the numbers are out there, but in NYC over 50% of the homeless people are children under the age of 12.
It's a very big number. I forgot where I saw the article, but a very high percentage of Mexican nationals who give birth in San Diego county hospitals are illegal aliens. Some of these women give birth within days or hours of crossing illegally. To risk their unborn while crossing through treacherous terrain points to the desirabiity of having a child born here in the states. But it must also be pointed out that pregnant women are treated unfairly in Mexican society. Their cultural belief is that pregnant women should not be working; pregnant women are typically discharged from their jobs even though they are fully capable of performing their duties.

I would have said Mexico is one F'd up place, but after seeing a film on Haiti tonight made by our church's missionaries, Mexico is Club Med.
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Old 05-08-2006, 07:58 AM
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An Interesting Segue & Read...Long

I copped this from a stock board I peruse; I know the poster, but I do not know his friend he got the quote from...very interesting read on how Mexico handles US citizens working there. No dis to Mexico, but it is remarkable in the more stringent approach. Worth a read, imo.
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(From the other side of the fence.....)


Received the following from Tom O'Malley, who was a Director with SW BELL in Mexico City.


You remember I spent five years working in Mexico.

I worked under a tourist Visa for three months and could legally renew it for three more months. After that, we would be working Illegally. I was technically illegal for three weeks waiting on the FM3 approval

During that six months our Mexican and US Attorneys were working to secure a permanent work visa called an FM3. It was in addition to my US passport that I had to show each time I entered and left the country. Barbara's was the same except her's didn't permit her to work.

To apply for the FM3 I needed to submit the following notarized originals (not copies) of my:

1. Birth certificate for Barbara and I.
2. Marriage certificate.
3. High school transcripts and proof of graduation.
4. College transcripts for every college I attended and proof of graduation.
5. Two letters of recommendation from supervisors I had worked for at least one year.
6. A letter from The ST. Louis Chief of Police indicating I had no arrest record in the US, no outstanding warrants, and was "a citizen in good standing."
7. Finally; I had to write a letter about myself that clearly stated why there was no Mexican Citizen with my skills and why my skills were important to Mexico. We called it our "I am the greatest person on Earth" letter. It was fun to write.

All of the above were in English that had to be translated into Spanish and be certified as legal translations and our signatures notarized. It produced a folder about 1.5 inches thick with English on the left side and Spanish on the right.

Once they were completed Barbara and I spent about five hours, accompanied by a Mexican Attorney, touring Mexican Government office locations and being photographed and fingerprinted at least three times.


At each location, and we remember at least four locations, we were instructed on Mexican tax, labor, housing, and criminal law, and that we were required to obey their laws or face the consequences. We couldn't protest any of the Government's actions or we would be committing a felony. We paid out four thousand dollars in fees and bribes to complete the process. When this was done we could legally bring in our household goods that were held by US customs in Laredo Texas. This meant we had rented furniture in Mexico while awaiting our own goods. There were extensive fees involved here that the company paid.

We could not buy a home and were required to rent at very high rates under contract and in compliance with Mexican law.

We were required to get a Mexican drivers license. This was an amazing process. The company arranged for the Licensing agency to come to our headquarters location with their photography and finger print equipment and the laminating machine. We showed our US license, were photographed and fingerprinted again and issued the license instantly after paying out a six dollar fee. We didn't take a written or driving test and never received instructions on the rules of the road. Our only instruction was never give a policeman your license if stopped and asked. We were instructed to hold it against the inside window away from his grasp, because if he got his hands on it you would have to pay a ransom to get it back.

We then had to pay and file Mexican income tax annually using the number of our FM3 form as our ID number. The company's Mexican accountants did this for us and we just signed what they prepared. It was about twenty legal size pages annually.

The FM 3 was good for three years and renewable for two more after paying more fees.

Leaving the country meant turning in the FM# and certifying we were leaving no debts behind and no outstanding legal affairs (warrants, tickets or liens) before our household goods were released to customs.

It was a real adventure, and If any of our Senators or Congressman went through it just once, they would have a different attitude toward Mexico.

The Mexican Government uses it's vast military and police forces to keep its citizens intimidated and compliant. They never protest at their White house or government offices but do protest daily in front of the United States Embassy.
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Awesome post, if the US had one tenth of that effort behind our INS, it would be a different story.
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