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Old 08-01-2006, 05:27 PM
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I bet Levy wasn't present in Germany in 1941.

I also bet Levy is also a pacifist.
Correct on both accounts, I would guess, but his point about "sowing the seeds of hatred" cuts to the heart of the matter and is quite valid. Where are the opportunities to short circuit or diminish the cycles of hate and prejudice, particulary in a part of the world criss-crossed by cultures at odds over one another?

Too strident a response will only create more Hezbollah recruits--at what point do the diminishing returns kick in? What would the world be like today wihout the Serb who shot Archduke Ferdinand, without the Treaty of Vienna, without Hitler, and without a Holocaust?

Years ago in NYC, I shared a loft with a couple, Michael and Zena. He was a Jew from NY, she was Lebanese. I believe they got married. There is hope.
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Old 07-31-2006, 09:30 PM
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I didn't mean to offend you, I just get heated up when rules apply to sum and not the others. I would have much more respect for your government if they just said we have the most guns and we want your oil is that clear? If you feel my earlier comment was incorrect I would love for you to change my mind. Why do you think its not safe for Americans to travel in most places in the world? I'm all for the crusade but lets call it what it is. not this bull the media portrays it as " weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq "war on terror" Afghanistan "the Jews are defending themselves" Lebanon. wasn't the Jews that started the shelling when some soldiers went missing. Just a question how many Palestinians and Lebanese do they have jailed in Israel. And what makes those solders any different. I hope you don't expect me to apologise for not sharing your illusions, I'm just pointing out facts. What was the reason America went into Iraq again, I'm not sure it might have changed since the last time I watched TV.
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"the Jews are defending themselves" Lebanon. wasn't the Jews that started the shelling when some soldiers went missing. Just a question how many Palestinians and Lebanese do they have jailed in Israel. And what makes those solders any different.
the "soldiers" kept by Israel are terrorists or someone associated with one and are kept there so that they dont either A) provide a means for a teen to strap a dynomite pack and blow up on a bus and B) so that they themselves dont do that same thing.

On the other hand the Israeli soldiers were not going into any territory they should not have been in they were taken from ISRAEL meaning Hezbolah crossed international border.

As was mentioned here Israel has a government and an army and its a nation accept it or not, Palestinians rejected anything given to them unless it was all of Israel, and choose or at least their terrorist government chooses that fate. There is no organized govt there is no one person to go against. Hezbolah is the same its not a nation its a regime within a country that hides in houses of civilians which when blown up are made victims. But no one will care about that fact, about the fact that palestinians raise their kids to go and blow themselves up to kill as many Israelis as possible, the reason i say Israelis is that there are plenty of Arabs in Israel they too suffer. but instead of turning on their own so called government to get them to stop terrorizing the Israelis, the only thing palestinians do is complain how Israel is restricting them. Let me ask those of you who think Israel is wrong what you would do if someone from another state came to your house kidnapped your husband/wife/son/daughter and left. FOR NO REASON except that they didnt like you and wanted your property because they feel its rightfully theirs. Wouldnt you go cross into their state and raise all hell and get anyone out of the way who might stand in it?
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Old 08-01-2006, 05:16 PM
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For all who are interested, here is some information on the first two terrorist groups to operate in the Middle East (during the 1930s and 1940s):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(group)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun


From the first article, a quote from the Zionist newspaper of the time "The Front", August 1943:
Neither Jewish morality nor Jewish tradition can negate the use of terror as a means of battle.
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We are quite far from moral hesitations on the national battlefield. We see before us the command of the Torah, the most moral teaching in the world: Obliterate - until destruction. We are particularly far from this sort of hesitation in regard to an enemy whose moral perversion is admitted by all.
But primarily terror is part of our political battle under present conditions and its role is large and great.
  • It demonstrates, in clear language, to those who listen throughout the world and to our despondent brothers outside the gates of this country of our battle against the true terrorist who hides behind his piles of papers and the laws he has legislated.
  • It is not directed against people, it is directed against representatives. Therefore it is effective.
  • If it also shakes the Yishuv from their complacency, good and well.
Only so will the battle for liberation begin.
It appears that history is not without a sense of irony.

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Old 07-31-2006, 09:59 PM
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Admins/moderators, thank you for the "ignore" function.

(I'm sure others have used it on me... )
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Your both wrong. the reason America entered ww2 was because of pearl harbour not because of what Hitler was doing to the Jews....in the initial stages of the war nobody could have imagined the scale that Hitler was executing people Jews, slaves, gypsies ect. ........you call it ethnic cleansing we call it self defence......how do you explain America backing a known terrorist organization like the KLA .....how else would you call it but self defence when a 6 hundred year old enemy occupies your land, the land your ancestors fought for 1500 years from multiple enemies so that you could have individuality and land of your own. when the Jews do it its self defence...when the Americans do it its war on terror but when we do it its ethnic cleansing and that's just what it is but its the same mentality like dropping the atomic bomb on the Japanese to end a war you didn't start , and the same mentality as what gods chosen people are doing now, destroying their enemy to preserve peace. all im trying to say is call it what it is don't sugar coat it. And for mc hammer there, you should look up the difference between genocide and ethnic cleansing, or better yet just keep dancing.
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Gods chosen people following in Hitler's footsteps.......SHAME ON YOU.......how can you all be so blind. I bet these actions of yours buy you another hundred years of suicide bombings. If in the future you wonder why this is happening to your people this is it. Watch so you can explain to your children why the Arabs hate them enough to strap 20 kilos of c4 on themselves and run into bus full of Jews scream some nonsense and press the button. SHAME ON YOU!!!!!
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Watch so you can explain to your children why the Arabs hate them enough to strap 20 kilos of c4 on themselves and run into bus full of Jews scream some nonsense and press the button. SHAME ON YOU!!!!!
And I thought it was for the Virgins
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And I thought it was for the Virgins


Virgins? What virgins?

It is widely believed that Muslim 'martyrs' enjoy rich sensual rewards on reaching paradise. A new study suggests they may be disappointed. Ibn Warraq reports...
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Why is it that people think America is so stupid?

Why do you think we have not yet gotten involved?

Israel is a democracy. The other countries are not.

Israel has a government. Hamas/Hezbollah/etc. does not.

Israel has land. Hamas/Hezbollah/etc. does not.

Israel is in the 21st century for rights for women, voting, etc. The other organizations are not.

Israel can be negotiated with. They are a member of the UN, UNOS, and every other organization in the world. Hamas/HEzbollah/etc. are not.

Are you people intellectually challenged?

These organizations are much like cancer. They hide between the body's good cells and wrech havoc and destruction. They grow and destroy every system the body has. When you excise cancer, you invariably take out normal tissue with it, much like a margin.....

If the cancer choses to hide in the normal tissue, what choice does Israel have?

So kidnap two solders today, three families tomorrow, one entire township the next week, a major city next month, etc?

I am so glad that I don't think the way much of you do.

No one wants war. No one wants death. No one wants destruction. EXCEPT for those Muslims who believe all non-Muslims must die.

Wake up. WAKE up. Wake up before its TOO LATE.
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