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Old 07-30-2006, 03:45 PM
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Ignorant how? There is very little 'one sided' about any political or global situation discussions on this forum. Seems as though your posts to this topic have no real commentary aside from telling others not to speak. As you said you have no side in the discussion, so why comment to others about them being one sided? Your response to Drex, who posted a great deal of factual information, was, IMO, ridiculous. Your other comments about not wanting to hear about opinions based on research is ridiculous as well. The genocide you spoke of occurred between 1915-1918 and early 1920's, so unless you are roughly 90 years old, you didn't have a first hand account of any of this, simply researched it as you denounce others from commenting to. And in fact the allies, including the USA, required the Ottoman Empire to hold the Young Turks accountable to war crimes.

Any issue as far as Israel is concerned in relation to Armenia should be taken up with Turkey who still dismisses the notion of a genocide in Armenia at all, much like Iran doubting the Jews in Germany.

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The atrocities committed against the Armenian people of the Ottoman Empire during W.W.I are called the Armenian Genocide. Genocide is the organized killing of a people for the express purpose of putting an end to their collective existence. Because of its scope, genocide requires central planning and a machinery to implement it. This makes genocide the quintessential state crime as only a government has the resources to carry out such a scheme of destruction. The Armenian Genocide was centrally planned and administered by the Turkish government against the entire Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire. It was carried out during W.W.I between the years 1915 and 1918. The Armenian people was subjected to deportation, expropriation, abduction, torture, massacre, and starvation. The great bulk of the Armenian population was forcibly removed from Armenia and Anatolia to Syria, where the vast majority was sent into the desert to die of thirst and hunger. Large numbers of Armenians were methodically massacred throughout the Ottoman Empire. Women and children were abducted and horribly abused. The entire wealth of the Armenian people was expropriated. After only a little more than a year of calm at the end of W.W.I, the atrocities were renewed between 1920 and 1923, and the remaining Armenians were subjected to further massacres and expulsions. In 1915, thirty-three years before UN Genocide Convention was adopted, the Armenian Genocide was condemned by the international community as a crime against humanity.
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Old 07-30-2006, 03:59 PM
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Actually wagner i was pretty much aiming at you! You always have an opinion which is very pro american and anti whatever else is out there attitude.

Lets kill all the muslims and wipe lebanon off the map because america gave Israel the firepower? Thats what you sound like. There is no humanity or compassion or empathy in your opinions.

And please dont give me any information about the genocide that you went and gathered on your computer. Okay copy-paster?

I am armenian and my grandparents and family are armenian and i have heard real accounts and seen real pictures on what had happened!

I lived in lebanon for part of the civil war. I have lost family and friends then and now! And to hear an idiot like you comment on things that will probably never affect you in any shape way or form just makes me sick to my stomach!

That's where i'm coming from!

"In 1915, thirty-three years before UN Genocide Convention was adopted, the Armenian Genocide was condemned by the international community as a crime against humanity."
What good came of this? Where is our land? Why do you assume that you know what you're talking about?

Thanks JCL I thought i was alone here with all these "americans"!
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Old 07-30-2006, 04:15 PM
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Actually wagner i was pretty much aiming at you! You always have an opinion which is very pro american and anti whatever else is out there attitude.

Lets kill all the muslims and wipe lebanon off the map because america gave Israel the firepower? Thats what you sound like. There is no humanity or compassion or empathy in your opinions.

And please dont give me any information about the genocide that you went and gathered on your computer. Okay copy-paster?

I am armenian and my grandparents and family are armenian and i have heard real accounts and seen real pictures on what had happened!

I lived in lebanon for part of the civil war. I have lost family and friends then and now! And to hear an idiot like you comment on things that will probably never affect you in any shape way or form just makes me sick to my stomach!

That's where i'm coming from!

"In 1915, thirty-three years before UN Genocide Convention was adopted, the Armenian Genocide was condemned by the international community as a crime against humanity."
What good came of this? Where is our land? Why do you assume that you know what you're talking about?

Thanks JCL I thought i was alone here with all these "americans"!

great, the canadians have spoken!

ahh, if you are sooooooooooooooooo upset about Armenia, why don't you go back there and take your land back?

ahh, I thought so.
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Old 07-30-2006, 04:22 PM
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...There is very little 'one sided' about any political or global situation discussions on this forum. Seems as though your posts to this topic have no real commentary aside from telling others not to speak. As you said you have no side in the discussion, so why comment to others about them being one sided?
The above is a partial quote, so please read it all before forming an opinion. It also wasn't directed at me, but since it is an open topic...

I don't have any particular insight to all of this, never having lived in the Middle East, never having been to Armenia, and not having any idea on how to resolve the various Middle Eastern conflicts.

But I do have a couple of thoughts to add, for what it is worth.

I think that many of these posts are rather one-sided. The word 'rant' in the subject line is probably a good indication of that, so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, but please don't pretend that what follows is balanced.

I have a hard time accepting the moral superiority of either party in the current conflict. I think that there are at least three sides, not two. There is Hezbollah, and whatever their charter means today, many years later. There is Israel, confident in its own righteousness, and therefore just as much of a problem as Hezbollah. Sorry if that offends anyone. And then there is a third position, possibly unattainable, but representing some sort of middle ground, and likely the only path to peace in the region. That goal is more important that the goals of each combatant. And IMO, until the various parties accept that, it is all going to carry on.

My link for the day is an analysis of the UN Peacekeeping role. CBC may not be perfect, but it sometimes offers another viewpoint from the US-based western media.

See what you think of the analysis:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/mi...crisis/un.html

And shed a tear for the families of the peacekeepers who felt compelled to stay and do their job. Unarmed.
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