Never cease to amaze.....

rayxi · #1 09-20-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WagnerX5

Hmm. On the left MURDER on the right a DRAWING...yah those are equal.

Well, actually, no. On the left denial that murder took place, not murder itself.

The cartoon is misleading. The law doesn't prohibit the denial of the holocaust. The law prohibits the promotion of hate, which unfortunately usually goes along with the denial of the holocaust.

Eric5273 · #2 09-20-2006, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rayxi

The cartoon is misleading. The law doesn't prohibit the denial of the holocaust. The law prohibits the promotion of hate, which unfortunately usually goes along with the denial of the holocaust.

Actually, that is not true. In many European countries, including Denmark, you can go to prison for saying that the holocaust did not happen.

Here are a couple of examples:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1331724.shtml

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n2p58_Swiss.html

While I obviously believe that these people are misguided and what they say is total BS, I do not think they should go to prison.

Wagner · #3 09-21-2006, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Actually, that is not true. In many European countries, including Denmark, you can go to prison for saying that the holocaust did not happen.

Here are a couple of examples:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1331724.shtml

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n2p58_Swiss.html

While I obviously believe that these people are misguided and what they say is total BS, I do not think they should go to prison.

Correct IMO, you shouldn't be imprisoned from simply saying "ah that didn't happen". And in speaking to that, did you happen to catch the President of Iran on Anderson Cooper last night? A point he made, that....oh Lord...I agreed with, was that the Holocaust didn't happen in Palestine so why was a state created in their land for Jewish people killed in another land.

Also, when discussing the Holocaust people should remember that in Russia during the same time period nearly 5 times as many people were murdered......

Eric5273 · #4 09-21-2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WagnerX5

Also, when discussing the Holocaust people should remember that in Russia during the same time period nearly 5 times as many people were murdered......

Not 5 times, but close. World War II took the lives of 60 million people, and 20 million of them were Russian. It's no wonder that at the end of the war the German war criminals did whatever they could to make sure they were captured by the Americans and not the Russians.

Imagine a war in which one out of 6 Americans was killed. It's hard to imagine.

BMW X5 · #5 09-21-2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WagnerX5

Correct IMO, you shouldn't be imprisoned from simply saying "ah that didn't happen". And in speaking to that, did you happen to catch the President of Iran on Anderson Cooper last night? A point he made, that....oh Lord...I agreed with, was that the Holocaust didn't happen in Palestine so why was a state created in their land for Jewish people killed in another land.

Also, when discussing the Holocaust people should remember that in Russia during the same time period nearly 5 times as many people were murdered......

but where does he suggest they go? the reason for Israel was to create a place where Jews can live peacefully and not be discriminated against. where is there a place that would give up land? The US sure as hell isnt not because of everyone but because of a few FUPS who go spraying swastikas around. Germany sure as hell isnt, Russia is like the epitomy of hatred for Jews (i should know i grew up there) Asian countries i think we might um differ if you will. it has nothing to do with palestine it has to do with the fact that its holy land for them as well going back to the beginning. BTW props on the previous post