I reiterate my question from the other thread:

Can you articulate what the Democrats plans are? and I mean in detail, not just "we're not republicans" and "anyone but Bush", those are moronic messages, i'm curious as to what exacly we're in store for, and for the life of me I can't find 1 democrat who has clearly and concisely detailed how they will acheive this great "change".

*waits patiently

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You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.

So I guess it boils down to which is worse, a bad plan or no plan at all.

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Wake up every day that would be a start.

As opposed to what, Ron? The "stellar" Republican plan that has cost the lives of almost 3,000 troops, has uncovered NOT ONE single WMD, and has thrown Iraq to the verge of civil war? Oh yeah... Osama is still at large, and the Taliban are again fighting in Afghanistan.

Winner of a plan...

During all of this, our government has grown to be the largest (fattest) under ANY president (so much for small government), and we have racked up the biggest deficit in our history (so much for being fiscally responsible).

Look, whether the dems have a better (or any plan at all) is truly a moot point. What the electorate did yesterday was send a message: "We don't like what you're doing. It's not working. Get out!" If the dems do not deliver, they too, will be thrown out in '08. Like it or not, that's the way our democracy works. I, for one, hope we get this mess straightened out. The administration will be forced to actually negotiate and find common ground -- in other words, be good politicians <gasp!>. The days of the rubber-stamping of bills are over. At least for two years.

Happy and proud to be part of the American electorate.

Juan

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Whenever I text "Barack," my phone suggests the word "Capable." I guess my my phone IS pretty smart.

It's not a moot point juan.

No plan is worse than a bad plan. It's that simple.

To use an analogy, how is anyone better off by deciding to walk into a dark cave instead of climb down a dark hole?

This isn't a Dems vs. Republicans debate, it's a shitty political party vs. the other shitty political party discussion.

As Americans, we should be demanding a better government, not a different government because the one that is in power is disliked.

Hoping for a "good politician" is like praying not to have a hangover over drinking liter of vodka, sure it's possible, but not probable.

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You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.

As long as its a 2 party race and their are no viable alternatives this see-saw motion will always exist in politics. I agree with Juan that the message from the electorate was;

IT AIN'T WORKING PAL, LETS TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT!

I made sure I flew back from the UK to vote for this one!

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i ask again:

What's the plan for the "different"?

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You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist.

hmm, stock market over 12000, low unemployment, taxes still fairly low. what was wrong again?

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What is wrong is that an increasing number of Americans are "underemployed", meaning they are college educated professionals working at low wage part-time jobs and such. They are not considered "unemployed" by government statistics.

What is wrong is that an increasing number of Americans are living below the poverty line including about 13% of all Americans and over 20% of all American children. The poverty line is $18k per year for a family of 4, or $12k for a single person. So if you and your wife have a combined gross income of $20k per year ($384 per week before taxes) and you have 2 kids, you are not considered to be living in poverty and your kids are better off than 20% of American kids.

What is wrong is that over 45 million Americans have no heath insurance.

What is wrong is that fewer than 25% of Americans own any stocks or have anything vested in that 12000 DJIA.

What is wrong is that there is a continous increase in the divide between the wealthy and the poor and the middle class is slowly disappearing in this country.

As we are on an BMW X5 message board here, most of us are upper middle-class or above. So maybe you do not care about all of this as it does not personally affect you. But as you saw yesterday at the polls, may Americans are very upset as things are not doing so great for them.

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my experience on X5world when I spend too much
time posting in political threads in the lounge...

Well, for its flaws, our form of goverment is the oldest democracy in the world -- this despite the fact that we are a very young nation.

You got any better ideas? Or is this only driven by the fact that your party is no longer in power. Funny how that works. I am not a liberal per se, but I am a registered democrat. Though unhappy about the situation over the past six years, I simply accepted the fact that the Republicans were chosen by the majority of the voting population to run the country. That's what happens in a democracy. (To say nothing of the fact that Bush probably stole the 2000 election.) The Reds had their time, and they blew it. Now, the electorate has again spoken and given the Blues a chance. Maybe you should simply accept that -- just as I did for the past few years.

No, it's not perfect, but it's pretty damn good. I can't think of a single superpower in history that was (or still is, for that matter) as democratic as ours.

OR... you can mount a campaign to re-write our constitution, re-work our electorate process, and revamp our democratic checks-and-balances system. Let me know how that goes.

Juan

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Whenever I text "Barack," my phone suggests the word "Capable." I guess my my phone IS pretty smart.