What's the point of trolling a political story on an automotive forum unless, of course, you can't find acceptance anywhere else?

After reading the article and the comments by the janitor, all I have to say is there are a lot of incredibly stupid people in this world, and a lot of equally stupid people who listen to them.

Caveat: I don't think JFK was killed by Oswald.
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Hmm, I'm thinking hard about how to get into this topic. While I don't believe personally that the "government" set 9/11 portions in motion, I would believe outside influences within the US did (dare I say corporations). There is a whole lot of money to be gained by 9/11 at a global level...just look around. Also to set the record straight, no government in the world wants the US economy to fall on its @ss, if it did, the world would flow down the toilet with it. Just take a looks at how many foreign governments have huge, billions of dollars, tied in the US economy. (side note, take a look at the markets in the Middle East, some of the WORST markets in the world..I believe it was Saudi Arabia that just had their equivalent of Oct 29 1929)

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Here's some quotes from the Port Authority tapes of the FDNY communications from 9/11/01 that were finally released last year, and from various interviews during the few days following the attacks:

"There was just an explosion. It seemed like on television.....they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions."
--Firefighter Richard Banaciski

"It was like a professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'."
--Paramedic Daniel Rivera

"I heard an explosion and I looked up. It was as if the building was being imploded, from the top floor down, one after another, boom, boom, boom."
--FDNY Captain Dennis Tardio

"We heard this huge explosion that sounded like a bomb and knocked off the lights and stalled the elevator." (after they pried themselves out of the elevator) "another huge explosion like the first one hits. This one hits about two minutes later.....I'm thinking 'Oh. My God, these bastards put bombs in here like they did in 1993!'"
--Firefighter Louie Cacchioli

"There were explosions going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons....There was another explosion. And another. I didn't know where to run."
--Teresa Veliz, who worked for a software development company on the 47th floor of the north tower

"I was at the base of the second tower that was hit....There was an explosion....The base of the building shook...Then there was a series of explosions."
--Steve Evans, a New York-based correspondent for the BBC

"It sounded like bombs going off. That's when the explosions happened....I knew something was going to happen....It started to get dark, then all of a sudden there was this massive explosion. That sent me and the two firefighters down the stairs....I can't tell you how many times I got banged around. Each one of those explosions picked me up and threw me"
--Sue Keane, an officer in the New Jersey Police Department

"I looked up out of the office window to see what seemed like perfectly synchronized explosions coming from each floor....One after the other, from top to bottom, with a fraction of a second between, the floors blew to pieces."
--Wall Street Journal reporter John Bussey

"We heard a loud explosion or what sounded like a loud explosion and looked up and I saw tower two start coming down."
--FDNY Battalion Chief John Sudnik

"First I thought it was an explosion. I thought maybe there was a bomb on the plane, but delayed type of thing, you know secondary device...I just heard like an explosion and then a cracking type of noise, and then it sounded like a freight train, rumbling and picking up speed, and I remember I looked up, and I saw it coming down."
--Firefighter Timothy Julian

"There was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse."
--FDNY Chief Frank Cruthers

"I felt the ground shake, I turned around and ran for my life. I made it as far as the Financial Center when the collapse happened."
--Medical Technician Lonnie Penn

"All of a sudden the ground just started shaking. It felt like a train was running under my feet....The next thing we know, we look up and the tower is collapsing."
--Patrolman Paul Curran

"Shortly before the first tower came down, I remember feeling the ground shaking. I heard a terrible noise, and then debris just started flying everywhere. People started running."
--FDNY Lieutenant Bradley Mann

"I started walking back up towards Vesey Street. I heard three explosions, and then we heard like groaning and grinding, and tower two started to come down."
--Paramedic Kevin Darnowski

"It almost sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight."
--Firefighter Thomas Turilli

"We heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions...We then realized the building started to come down."
--Firefighter Craig Carlsen

"As we are looking up at the south tower, it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops. Didn't realize it was the falling...you know, you heard the pops of the building. You thought it was just blowing out."
--Firefighter Joseph Meola

"As my officer and I were looking at the south tower, it just gave. It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit. We originally had thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down."
--Firefighter Edward Cachia

"I thought before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. Lieutenant Evangelista asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I saw a flash flash flash at the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw."
--Assistant Commissioner Stephen Gregory

"Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building."
--Captain Karin Deshore

"We looked up at the south tower. All we saw was a puff of smoke coming from about 2 thirds of the way up. It looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building. My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV."
--Deputy Commissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick

"When I got underneath the north bridge I looked back and I heard like every floor went chu-chu-chu. Looked back and from the pressure everything was getting blown out of the floors before it actually collapsed."
--Firefighter James Curran

"The lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out."
--Battalion Chief Brian Dixon

"It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion."
--Battalion Chief Dominick DeRubbio

"There was an explosion in the south tower. I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in '93."
--Firefighter Kenneth Rogers


So you may be wondering how come you have not heard about all of these eye-witnesses? Well, here could be your answer:

"There were definitely bombs in those buildings. Many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact."
--Auxiliary Lieutenant Fireman Paul Isaac

Firefighter Louie Cacchioli testified in 2004 to members of the 9/11 Commission’s staff. But, he reported, they were so unreceptive that he ended up walking out in anger...
"I felt like I was being put on trial in a court room. They were trying to twist my words and make the story fit only what they wanted to hear. All I wanted to do was tell the truth and when they wouldn’t let me do that, I walked out."

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Eric I would have to ask "what is the goal brother?" To simply get people to read other opinions/ideas, to change minds, to see how many conservatives show up at your place with their "right to bare arms"?

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"promote the general welfare, not provide the general welfare"

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

As is the with case with other similar items (such as the JFK Assasination which you mentioned), the proof of government involvement is never in the evidence of the crime itself, but in their participation in the cover-up.

If this movie ever gets released to the public (I've seen it in a private screening), you will see the way such investigations operate. This particular movie was made using the actual transcripts of the Warren Commission hearings and internal meetings which have since become public record. It's quite a shocking and disturbing film to say the least.

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All of the above (except for the last one).

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Sounds like the concept of Occam's Razor is beyond your comprehension. There is absolutely no way a complicated conspiracy like what you seem to think has occured could be pulled off in the U.S. There would be far too many leaks. Don't you think it strange that every engineering and demolition expert familiar with building destruction has stated the buildings fell exactly as expected given the damage inflicted by the aircraft. Hmmmmm...... should I listen to experts who know what they're talking about, or should I listen to the opinions of a bunch of dumbasses who have no idea what they witnessed?

Heard explosions.... Hmmmmmmmm.... there's no chance it could have been the jet fuel exploding now could it????? Noooo... it MUST be that the government put bombs in the building.

I'm suprised the firefighters made quotes like that, of all people. I can't even begin to count how many stories my dad told me about some of the real big fires he fought and how at time the popping and sounds of the fire alone were similar to bombs going off. Now add fuel to the mix.

Bombs in the building

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