Should the U.S. launch covert strikes on Iran??? - Page 4

Eric5273 · #31 01-31-2007, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WagnerX5

If you do actually believe that Iran isn't after a nuclear weapon....then I wish you were right.

You mean you hope I am right.

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SuperGreg · #32 01-31-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SGT.Santiago

you full of it......Iran is actually suplying with weapons to the insurgents not just small arms weapons but also weapons that penetrates the armor vehicles to kill US SOLDIERS.

That was my understanding as well!

AzX5 · #33 01-31-2007, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GUINNESS

Considering the new findings and developments surrounding Iran, do you think the U.S. should sit quiet, just keep an eye on them, or launch strategic covert opperations?

Absolutely NOT! Why be covert about it?

Wagner · #34 01-31-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

You mean you hope I am right.

No, because I don't believe you are right.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html

Not to mention Iran is already taking equal pot shots back at the US. Wish some wouldn't make Iran out to be a casual observer in the situation

Eric5273 · #35 02-01-2007, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by WagnerX5

Wish some wouldn't make Iran out to be a casual observer in the situation

Of course they are not a casual observer. Don't you think all this violence going on in Iraq affects them? Iraq is their next door neighbor. Since the war started in 2003, millions of Iraqi refugees have fled across the border into Iran. In 2004, many of them started returning home, but in the last year, hundreds of thousands have fled again, most going to Syria and Iran.

To put this in perspective, how would you react if a country from the other side of the world invaded Mexico to overthrow their corrupt government and "liberate" the Mexican people, and then told the United States we should mind our own business and not meddle in Mexico's affairs, while this other country continued to have over 100,000 soldiers stationed at military bases all over Mexico?

Ever heard of "role reversal", or the saying "treat others how you would want to be treated"? Read the analogy I just gave and tell me how you would view the invading country? Hopefully that is how you view the actions of the United States in Iraq.

Aimster · #36 02-01-2007, 04:36 AM

There is zero evidence to suggest Iran is involved inside Iraq.

The media fails to mention that Iran exports hundreds of millions of dollars worth of military equipment each year. The very weapons they find inside Iraq have been exported to numerous countries.

It's like finding an M-16 inside China and blamming the U.S for arming China.

Also the majority of attacks against the U.S are from Sunni insurgents. Loyal Saddam Baith party members. Iran has no business with these people nor do they arm these people.

All evidence suggests Iran is not involved inside Iraq. More things are coming across the border from Syria and Saudi Arabia than from Iran. Yet the Bush administration blames everything on Iran because they want to make Iran seem horrible.

Where are the Iranians involved inside Iraq? Do they have a teleporting machine? The only Iranians the U.S has captured that are linked to the govt. are Iranians caught inside Kurdish territory. The very territory that has terrorist bombing Iranians inside Iran and inside Turkey. The very part of Iraq Turkey was threatening sending tens of thousands of troops if the suicide attacks did not stop. Iranians have been fighting Kurdish resistance fighters and establishing command centers near the border there for years. This time Iran had permission from the Iraqis to establish a command center inside the Kurdish territory.

Wagner · #37 02-01-2007, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Of course they are not a casual observer. Don't you think all this violence going on in Iraq affects them? Iraq is their next door neighbor. Since the war started in 2003, millions of Iraqi refugees have fled across the border into Iran. In 2004, many of them started returning home, but in the last year, hundreds of thousands have fled again, most going to Syria and Iran.

To put this in perspective, how would you react if a country from the other side of the world invaded Mexico to overthrow their corrupt government and "liberate" the Mexican people, and then told the United States we should mind our own business and not meddle in Mexico's affairs, while this other country continued to have over 100,000 soldiers stationed at military bases all over Mexico?

Ever heard of "role reversal", or the saying "treat others how you would want to be treated"? Read the analogy I just gave and tell me how you would view the invading country? Hopefully that is how you view the actions of the United States in Iraq.

Yet another change of topic to confuse a situation....

Wagner · #38 02-01-2007, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Aimster

There is zero evidence to suggest Iran is involved inside Iraq.

The media fails to mention that Iran exports hundreds of millions of dollars worth of military equipment each year. The very weapons they find inside Iraq have been exported to numerous countries.

It's like finding an M-16 inside China and blamming the U.S for arming China.

Also the majority of attacks against the U.S are from Sunni insurgents. Loyal Saddam Baith party members. Iran has no business with these people nor do they arm these people.

All evidence suggests Iran is not involved inside Iraq. More things are coming across the border from Syria and Saudi Arabia than from Iran. Yet the Bush administration blames everything on Iran because they want to make Iran seem horrible.

Where are the Iranians involved inside Iraq? Do they have a teleporting machine? The only Iranians the U.S has captured that are linked to the govt. are Iranians caught inside Kurdish territory. The very territory that has terrorist bombing Iranians inside Iran and inside Turkey. The very part of Iraq Turkey was threatening sending tens of thousands of troops if the suicide attacks did not stop. Iranians have been fighting Kurdish resistance fighters and establishing command centers near the border there for years. This time Iran had permission from the Iraqis to establish a command center inside the Kurdish territory.

"All evidence", wow, didn't know you were involved in the situation and had active knowledge of all evidence. Sorry. Iran is definitely working in Iraq right now, even the Iraqi leadership asked Iran not to wage a battle against the US via Iraq. I guess they just did a preemptive strike, since there was "no evidence" and everything.

Eric5273 · #39 02-02-2007, 02:58 AM

Here's a different perspective on the current violence:

Official Lies Over Najaf Battle Exposed

NAJAF, Iraq - Iraqi government lies over the killing of hundreds of Shi'ites in an attack on Sunday stand exposed by independent investigations carried out by IPS in Iraq.

Conflicting reports had arisen earlier on how and why a huge battle broke out around the small village Zarqa, located just a few kilometers northeast of the Shi'ite holy city Najaf, which is 90 km south of Baghdad.

One thing certain is that when the smoke cleared, more than 200 people lay dead after more than half a day of fighting Sunday Jan. 28. A US helicopter was shot down, killing two soldiers. Twenty-five members of the Iraqi security force were also killed.

"We were going to conduct the usual ceremonies that we conduct every year when we were attacked by Iraqi soldiers," Jabbar al-Hatami, a leader of the al-Hatami Shi'ite Arab tribe told IPS.

"We thought it was one of the usual mistakes of the Iraqi army killing civilians, so we advanced to explain to the soldiers that they killed five of us for no reason. But we were surprised by more gunfire from the soldiers."

The confrontation took place on the Shi'ite holiday of Ashura which commemorates Imam Hussein, grandson of the prophet Muhammad and the most revered of Shi'ite saints. Emotions run high at this time, and self-flagellation in public is the norm.

Many southern Shi'ite Arabs do not follow Iranian-born cleric Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani. They believe the religious leadership should be kept in the hands of Arab clerics. Al-Hatami and al-Khazaali are two major tribes that do not follow Sistani.

Tribal members from both believe the attack was launched by the central government of Baghdad to stifle growing Shi'ite-Sunni unity in the area.

"Our convoy was close to the al-Hatami convoy on the way to Najaf when we heard the massive shooting, and so we ran to help them because our tribe and theirs are bound with a strong alliance," a 45-year-old man who asked to be referred to as Ahmed told IPS.

Ahmed, a member of the al-Khazali tribe said "our two tribes have a strong belief that Iranians are provoking sectarian war in Iraq which is against the belief of all Muslims, and so we announced an alliance with Sunni brothers against any sectarian violence in the country. That did not make our Iranian-dominated government happy."

The fighting took place on the Diwaniya-Najaf road and spread into nearby date-palm plantations after pilgrims sought refuge there.
"American helicopters participated in the slaughter," Jassim Abbas, a farmer from the area told IPS. "They were soon there to kill those pilgrims without hesitation, but they were never there for helping Iraqis in anything they need. We just watched them getting killed group by group while trapped in those plantations."

Much of the killing was done by US and British warplanes, eyewitnesses said.

Local authorities including the office of Najaf Governor Asaad Abu Khalil who is a member of the pro-Iranian Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) had claimed before the killings that a group of primarily foreign Sunni fighters with links to al-Qaeda had planned to disrupt the Ashura festival by attacking Shi'ite pilgrims and senior ayatollahs in Najaf. The city is the principal seat of religious learning for Shi'ites in Iraq.

Officials claimed that Iraqi security forces had obtained intelligence information from two detained men that had led the Iraqi Scorpion commando squad to prepare for an attack. The intelligence claimed obviously had little impact on how events unfolded.

Minister of Interior Jawad al-Bolani announced to reporters at 9am Sunday morning that Najaf was being attacked by al-Qaeda. Immediately following this announcement the Ministry of National Security (MNS) announced that the dead were members of the Shi'ite splinter extremist group Jund al-Sama (Army of Heaven) who were out to kill senior ayatollahs in Najaf, including Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani.

Iraq's national security advisor Muaffaq al-Rubaii said just 15 minutes after the MNS announcement that hundreds of Arab fighters had been killed, and that many had been arrested. Rubaii claimed there were Saudis, Yemenis, Egyptians and Afghans.

But Governor Khalil's office backed away from its initial claims after the dead turned out to be local Shi'ite Iraqis. Iraqi security officials continue to contradict their own statements. Most officials now say that the dead were Shi'ite extremists supported by foreign powers.

The government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has a pattern of announcing it is fighting terrorists, like its backers in Washington. Many Iraqis in the south now accuse Baghdad of calling them terrorists simply because they refuse to collaborate with the Iranian-dominated government.

Wagner · #40 02-02-2007, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric5273

Here's a different perspective on the current violence:

Official Lies Over Najaf Battle Exposed

NAJAF, Iraq - Iraqi government lies over the killing of hundreds of Shi'ites in an attack on Sunday stand exposed by independent investigations carried out by IPS in Iraq.

Conflicting reports had arisen earlier on how and why a huge battle broke out around the small village Zarqa, located just a few kilometers northeast of the Shi'ite holy city Najaf, which is 90 km south of Baghdad.

One thing certain is that when the smoke cleared, more than 200 people lay dead after more than half a day of fighting Sunday Jan. 28. A US helicopter was shot down, killing two soldiers. Twenty-five members of the Iraqi security force were also killed.

"We were going to conduct the usual ceremonies that we conduct every year when we were attacked by Iraqi soldiers," Jabbar al-Hatami, a leader of the al-Hatami Shi'ite Arab tribe told IPS.

"We thought it was one of the usual mistakes of the Iraqi army killing civilians, so we advanced to explain to the soldiers that they killed five of us for no reason. But we were surprised by more gunfire from the soldiers."

The confrontation took place on the Shi'ite holiday of Ashura which commemorates Imam Hussein, grandson of the prophet Muhammad and the most revered of Shi'ite saints. Emotions run high at this time, and self-flagellation in public is the norm.

Many southern Shi'ite Arabs do not follow Iranian-born cleric Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani. They believe the religious leadership should be kept in the hands of Arab clerics. Al-Hatami and al-Khazaali are two major tribes that do not follow Sistani.

Tribal members from both believe the attack was launched by the central government of Baghdad to stifle growing Shi'ite-Sunni unity in the area.

"Our convoy was close to the al-Hatami convoy on the way to Najaf when we heard the massive shooting, and so we ran to help them because our tribe and theirs are bound with a strong alliance," a 45-year-old man who asked to be referred to as Ahmed told IPS.

Ahmed, a member of the al-Khazali tribe said "our two tribes have a strong belief that Iranians are provoking sectarian war in Iraq which is against the belief of all Muslims, and so we announced an alliance with Sunni brothers against any sectarian violence in the country. That did not make our Iranian-dominated government happy."

The fighting took place on the Diwaniya-Najaf road and spread into nearby date-palm plantations after pilgrims sought refuge there.
"American helicopters participated in the slaughter," Jassim Abbas, a farmer from the area told IPS. "They were soon there to kill those pilgrims without hesitation, but they were never there for helping Iraqis in anything they need. We just watched them getting killed group by group while trapped in those plantations."

Much of the killing was done by US and British warplanes, eyewitnesses said.

Local authorities including the office of Najaf Governor Asaad Abu Khalil who is a member of the pro-Iranian Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) had claimed before the killings that a group of primarily foreign Sunni fighters with links to al-Qaeda had planned to disrupt the Ashura festival by attacking Shi'ite pilgrims and senior ayatollahs in Najaf. The city is the principal seat of religious learning for Shi'ites in Iraq.

Officials claimed that Iraqi security forces had obtained intelligence information from two detained men that had led the Iraqi Scorpion commando squad to prepare for an attack. The intelligence claimed obviously had little impact on how events unfolded.

Minister of Interior Jawad al-Bolani announced to reporters at 9am Sunday morning that Najaf was being attacked by al-Qaeda. Immediately following this announcement the Ministry of National Security (MNS) announced that the dead were members of the Shi'ite splinter extremist group Jund al-Sama (Army of Heaven) who were out to kill senior ayatollahs in Najaf, including Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani.

Iraq's national security advisor Muaffaq al-Rubaii said just 15 minutes after the MNS announcement that hundreds of Arab fighters had been killed, and that many had been arrested. Rubaii claimed there were Saudis, Yemenis, Egyptians and Afghans.

But Governor Khalil's office backed away from its initial claims after the dead turned out to be local Shi'ite Iraqis. Iraqi security officials continue to contradict their own statements. Most officials now say that the dead were Shi'ite extremists supported by foreign powers.

The government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has a pattern of announcing it is fighting terrorists, like its backers in Washington. Many Iraqis in the south now accuse Baghdad of calling them terrorists simply because they refuse to collaborate with the Iranian-dominated government.

www.antiwar.com - sure they are unbiased.

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