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Old 01-30-2007, 06:01 PM
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So far I have not seen any hard evidence that they are doing anything other than that. I have only heard baseless allegations. When someone presents some evidence that they are violating this international treaty, then I will agree that action should be taken (the same sort of action that should be taken against North Korea, Israel, India and Pakistan -- the other countries who have violated this treaty).
So you think we should wait until they have a nuclear weapon?

Aren't they already blocking inspectors?

Do you think if they had a nuclear weapon they would use it on Israel or the United States?
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Old 01-30-2007, 07:23 PM
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So you think we should wait until they have a nuclear weapon?
Kind of like asking someone "Do you still beat your wife?"

No, I don't think Iran is developing nuclear weapons.



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Aren't they already blocking inspectors?
No.

Prior to the UN Security Counsel passing sanctions against them, all their nuclear facilities were open to all UN inspectors. Since the passing of the sanctions, they have refused to allow American and British inspectors into the country, but have continued to allow all others. Their reason is legit as the US had spies in the Iraqi UN inspection team, and then used information gathered by them to select targets to bomb later on, a clear violation of the terms of the NPT. The situation got so bad, that members of the inspection team, including the head of the inspection team, resigned claiming that the spies were putting their life in danger.

The UN has 180+ other countries to select inspectors from. The inspection team does not need to have Americans and British members. Would the US allow North Korean or Iranian inspectors to inspect our facilities? Or would Israel allow Syrian inspectors to inspect their facilities? Doubtful.


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Do you think if they had a nuclear weapon they would use it on Israel or the United States?
I think there is a better chance of aliens attacking us than Iranians.
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Old 01-30-2007, 07:27 PM
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Accept for the fact that the Iraqi government is backed by the US.
Yes, but if you remember, the party that won the elections was not the one that our government preferred. The party that won is the party that the Iranians supported, and that is why the current government has been so friendly to Iran.

If they had intelligence that Iran was arming the insurgents that they are fighting, do you think they would continue to be so friendly towards them? al-Maliki, the Prime Minister of Iraq, is good buddies with the Iranian regime. He has already made all kinds of trade deals with them, including the opening of an Iranian National Bank in Baghdad. And according to memos issued by al-Maliki's office last week, those military advisers that we arrested last week were invited by his government.
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Old 01-30-2007, 07:30 PM
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Kind of like asking someone "Do you still beat your wife?"

No, I don't think Iran is developing nuclear weapons.





No.

Prior to the UN Security Counsel passing sanctions against them, all their nuclear facilities were open to all UN inspectors. Since the passing of the sanctions, they have refused to allow American and British inspectors into the country, but have continued to allow all others. Their reason is legit as the US had spies in the Iraqi UN inspection team, and then used information gathered by them to select targets to bomb later on, a clear violation of the terms of the NPT. The situation got so bad, that members of the inspection team, including the head of the inspection team, resigned claiming that the spies were putting their life in danger.

The UN has 180+ other countries to select inspectors from. The inspection team does not need to have Americans and British members. Would the US allow North Korean or Iranian inspectors to inspect our facilities? Or would Israel allow Syrian inspectors to inspect their facilities? Doubtful.




I think there is a better chance of aliens attacking us than Iranians.
Iranians would never directly attack the US on our own soil however they have already and will again attack us on foreign soil. As for the "beat your wife" comment, wtf are you saying It doesn't make any sense.

The only portion I would agree with is the inspector portion as I'm sure we were spying on other groups. However I fully believe that Iran is looking for weapons capabilities, hence their underground "nuclear facilities". There would be no other point if not weapons oriented.
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Old 01-30-2007, 07:31 PM
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Yes, but if you remember, the party that won the elections was not the one that our government preferred. The party that won is the party that the Iranians supported, and that is why the current government has been so friendly to Iran.

If they had intelligence that Iran was arming the insurgents that they are fighting, do you think they would continue to be so friendly towards them? al-Maliki, the Prime Minister of Iraq, is good buddies with the Iranian regime. He has already made all kinds of trade deals with them, including the opening of an Iranian National Bank in Baghdad. And according to memos issued by al-Maliki's office last week, those military advisers that we arrested last week were invited by his government.

Of course the Iraqi government wants to be friends with Iran. If they aren't they will be destroyed seconds after the US military pulls out.
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Old 01-31-2007, 03:03 AM
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As for the "beat your wife" comment, wtf are you saying It doesn't make any sense.
That is the benchmark of all questions: "Do you still beat your wife?" Whether you answer "yes" or "no", you admit to having beat your wife.

Very much like the question I was asked above: "So you think we should wait until they have a nuclear weapon?" Regardless of how I answer that question, the assumption is that they are developing a nuclear weapon.

In the next Global Warming thread, remind me to ask "So you think we should wait until the sea level rises 50 feet worldwide before we do something?"
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Old 01-31-2007, 03:05 AM
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Of course the Iraqi government wants to be friends with Iran. If they aren't they will be destroyed seconds after the US military pulls out.
How about the more logical reason, which is that the Prime Minister and most of his supporters were friends with Iran before they even became Iraqi leaders.
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Old 01-31-2007, 05:44 AM
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How about the more logical reason, which is that the Prime Minister and most of his supporters were friends with Iran before they even became Iraqi leaders.
I think my response was more logical then that
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That is the benchmark of all questions: "Do you still beat your wife?" Whether you answer "yes" or "no", you admit to having beat your wife.

Very much like the question I was asked above: "So you think we should wait until they have a nuclear weapon?" Regardless of how I answer that question, the assumption is that they are developing a nuclear weapon.

In the next Global Warming thread, remind me to ask "So you think we should wait until the sea level rises 50 feet worldwide before we do something?"

Nah, just neat way of avoiding a question and confusing a statement to make it harder for others to follow your thought process. If you do actually believe that Iran isn't after a nuclear weapon....then I wish you were right.
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