Excellent way to make his point! Things look different when the shoe is on the other foot.

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Real socialism is about everyone having the same opportunity, not everyone having the same thing through charity.

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my experience on X5world when I spend too much
time posting in political threads in the lounge...

while that is true Eric people will always exploit the system it is going to happen ESPECIALLY in a socialist society because people figure they gain nothing by busting ass as opposed to just following the status quo...much the same way that unionized factory labor strangles american manufacturing

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Still, some get A's and some get C's in the bell curve. If you got an A, give that up and take a B for your C friend then. This analogy is just how you liberals want the system to work. Increased welfare and rewarding lack of effort. OK Eric, you and your friend both trade in your cars. You trade in your X and he trades in his escort. Now, you both get a Taurus. Suck it up liberals and realize your ideals suck!

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Exactly!
I've seen firsthand how unions protect absolutely worthless workers. I've had to pull their weight to get paid the same. Is it a wonder that most unions vote democrat???

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2007 M6
2018 Chevy 2500HD Diesel Alaskan Edition
2011 X5 35d
1972 Chevy K20 4X4
1972 Ford F-600
1959 Chevy Viking 60 Dump Truck
2015 CanAm Outlander XT 1000

Do you consider welfare opportunity??? How many that start on welfare EVER come off? Ever notice that most on welfare or given social charity vote dem???

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2007 M6
2018 Chevy 2500HD Diesel Alaskan Edition
2011 X5 35d
1972 Chevy K20 4X4
1972 Ford F-600
1959 Chevy Viking 60 Dump Truck
2015 CanAm Outlander XT 1000

Alright now I had better chime in.

When I was growing up, my family was so poor that we didn't even know where our next meal was coming from some days. My dad busted his ass most days 16hrs a day trying to make ends meet for a family of 6. He is college educated and a fairly smart guy.

At 55 he was diagnosed with cancer. He beat it. Yet he worked every day during the treatment to try to provide for his family.

Sometimes life just throws curve balls at you. For him it was one after the other. He had a business partner that cheated him and a number of deals that fell through because of dishonest people.

If it weren't for the charity of others and yes, "government welfare and health care (DSHS)" we would not have made it.

Seeing what he went through, experiencing it first hand, there isn't a day that goes by that I am not thankful for the opportunities that I have been given. Nor do I look down on people just because sometimes they need a helping hand.

I among most other people here should consider themselves lucky. We all get to drive nice cars, have food on the table every night, and don't have to worry constantly that we don't have a place to stay.

Are there exceptions to the rule? YES! There are lazy people, drug addicts, drunks and so on. Even then, do these people not deserve help? Being a quote unquote conservative I am assuming you believe in God and Jesus. What would Jesus do? Would he tell these people that need help "tough luck"?

Yes I am a Christian. I believe he would tell those people that God helps those who help themselves. And yes, the drug addicts, drunks etc do deserve help. But, how many times do you continue to help them while they take advantage of the hardworking taxpayers?

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2018 Chevy 2500HD Diesel Alaskan Edition
2011 X5 35d
1972 Chevy K20 4X4
1972 Ford F-600
1959 Chevy Viking 60 Dump Truck
2015 CanAm Outlander XT 1000

I know there are some people that take advantage of the system. I even knew some of them while I was growing up. One of my friend's girlfriend told me that she couldn't wait to have a baby so that she could go on welfare. Her parents taught by example. So, she became a welfare leech too.

This is unfortunate and I strongly believe that people like these deserve the boot.

Yet for real reform to happen we need oversight so that people like this do actually get the boot.

I don't think our government is willing to make these changes.