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Old 06-05-2007, 08:20 AM
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not to split hairs or say it's not a big deal, but lets be honest..

She was not OVER the limit on her DUI charge, she was, AT THE LIMIT. Which I believe is about one drink per hour for an avg. size adult. She probably drank about 3/4's of a drink at her size and got the dui.
No that does not excuse it... But my point is, this girl's life is under a microscope... I'm not saying she didn't do wrong.. But is she really, "out of control" as Nupe says?
So the law states you have to be "out of control?" She violated her probation (I would argue flagrantly - she committed the same basic act. DUI/DWI), so she goes to jail. It just seems so simple to me. You say it doesn't excuse it, but that's not the tone of your comments. You seem to think it was just fine. Scary.

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Ohhh so she made a sex tape. Who the hell hasn't. -- Mine were shot from the closet my sophomore year at OSU. They were grainy, poorly lit, and on Svhs tapes, -- but my point is, anyone who hasn't made a sex tape at some point or another is either a prude or doesn't own a camcorder.
1. Given the choices you lay out, apparently I'm a prude.

2. Why is the sex tape important to this discussion?

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And just to look at the bigger picture. She has now done more time than OJ Simpson.

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Similar to the sex tape comment, why is what happened (or didn't) to OJ important? Since he got off, should all future "famous" criminals get off?
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Old 06-05-2007, 09:53 AM
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Add me to the prude list, thank you very much.

Oh...... and Paris Hilton? Do not pass go, do not collect $200.00
Go to Jail just like all the other little people.

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Ohhh so she made a sex tape. Who the hell hasn't. -- Mine were shot from the closet my sophomore year at OSU. They were grainy, poorly lit, and on Svhs tapes, -- but my point is, anyone who hasn't made a sex tape at some point or another is either a prude or doesn't own a camcorder.
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The sex tape is important to the discussion because people use it as a platform to loathe or bash her. Who cares if she has a sex tape, is my point. That doesn't exactly make her Charles Manson.

Also, I do not excuse her DUI or her repeat offense of it. But she is a young girl and that's an example of the trials and tribulations of "growing up".
- She did wrong, deserves to be punished. The tone of my post does not say otherwise.. But calling her "OUT OF CONTROL", I think many of the members of this board forgot what their own teens and 20's were like.
I would tell you all about some of the shit I did in high school and college but you'd probably label me a psychopath and have me institutionalized.

Does the punishment fit the crime? Maybe, maybe not. But some people need to get a grip and realize, she's making the same, everyday mistakes, a lot of young people make.

And I make the OJ point because, lets be honest, people with financial affluence have a much better easier time getting off, if they want to spend the money to fight and beat the courts. It would seem to me with the right lawyer and the desire to fight the judge's decision, she could have fought for community service or something of that nature. -- But she stood up and is doing the time.. Unlike many other famous, wealthy people who buy themselves out of prison.

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Your right about this statement. It is important. Problem is many people do care about her displays of idiot behaviour because it's a bad example that many find disgusting. The fact that others have engaged in the same kind of behaviour provides no excuse for others to engage in it.

Is she out of control? Like many teenagers who don't know the meaning of the word control of course she is. In her case it's being filmed for other young people to imitate. What a waste. Just think of what she could accomplish by setting a good example for others to follow.

Is there something good about her? I would be the first to say that there must be. But it seems to me that there isn't a whole lot of effort being put forth by her or her parents to highlight whatever that is.



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Hey Barry,

What behavior is it that you find so disguisting?
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Is there something good about her? I would be the first to say that there must be. But it seems to me that there isn't a whole lot of effort being put forth by her or her parents to highlight whatever that is.
Ahhh, the parents. Where are they? Do they realize (or even care) that what their child does and how she carries herself reflects on them and how she was raised? When she was sentenced, her mother yelled at the judge. Not at her child for driving while drunk and on probation, but at the judge. That tells you the kind of example her parents have set for her to follow. However, she is now an adult, and free to make her own decisions. As far as I can see, she has chosen to make the wrong ones thus far.

By no means am I perfect, nor is anyone for that matter, and I certainly won't be the first to cast a stone at anyone, but we all seem to learn from our mistakes. She obviously hasn't, and maybe this stint in the big-house will help with that. Did the time fit the crime? Maybe not, that's a moot point. But in this society when there are impressionable celebrity obsessed young people who, for whatever reason, idolize and look up to "Young Hollywood," maybe this will serve as a reminder that there are repercussions for breaking the law (especially more than once), and will deter the young 'uns from following in her footsteps. Well, one can hope, anyway.

One last question: Why don't these wealthy folks hire a driver? Is that not a simple solution?
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What behavior is it that you find so disguisting?
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The sex tape or the DUI ?
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I'll just keep my input short and simple. I'm glad she's going to jail. DUI's are something that should not be tolerated. She's been driving under the influence multiple times before times before (I've seen it with my own two eyes), and she got what was coming to her.
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Ahhh, the parents. Where are they? Do they realize (or even care) that what their child does and how she carries herself reflects on them and how she was raised? When she was sentenced, her mother yelled at the judge. Not at her child for driving while drunk and on probation, but at the judge. That tells you the kind of example her parents have set for her to follow. However, she is now an adult, and free to make her own decisions. As far as I can see, she has chosen to make the wrong ones thus far.

By no means am I perfect, nor is anyone for that matter, and I certainly won't be the first to cast a stone at anyone, but we all seem to learn from our mistakes. She obviously hasn't, and maybe this stint in the big-house will help with that. Did the time fit the crime? Maybe not, that's a moot point. But in this society when there are impressionable celebrity obsessed young people who, for whatever reason, idolize and look up to "Young Hollywood," maybe this will serve as a reminder that there are repercussions for breaking the law (especially more than once), and will deter the young 'uns from following in her footsteps. Well, one can hope, anyway.

One last question: Why don't these wealthy folks hire a driver? Is that not a simple solution?
RGurl, ...Good post, imo.

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drive one's own car after a dozen bevs?! WTF? A car service/limo ride/taxi
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No dis to the Christians here, but I got a kick outta her "reading the Bible"
jive she included in her pre-slam, mea culpa. Sick of celebs and wannabes.
She'll be on Oprah before the year is out, preaching to the choir, and a book,
and a bio book, and a...Andy Warhol nailed it.
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