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Old 06-11-2007, 05:17 PM
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I stopped watching the Sopranos years ago when Adrianna got whacked.
That was the best episode/best death, ever.. !!
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Old 06-12-2007, 06:39 AM
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Someone want to give some spoilers about how it ended for those who will never watch cause they don't have hbo???? please.
Warning, Sopranos Finale Spoiler Below...
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G, here is the NewYawkTimes version of the Cliff'sNotes Version and comments.
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The TV Watch
One Last Family Gathering

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James Gandolfini and Edie Falco in "The Sopranos," which ended its storied run Sunday night on HBO.

By ALESSANDRA STANLEY
Published: June 11, 2007

There was no good ending, so “The Sopranos” left off without one.
James Gandolfini, left, Edie Falco and Robert Iler in "The Sopranos," which ended its storied run Sunday night on HBO.

The abrupt finale last night was almost like a prank, a mischievous dig at viewers who had agonized over how television’s most addictive series would come to a close. The suspense of the final scene in the diner was almost cruel. And certainly that last bit of song — “Don’t Stop Believing,” by Journey — had to be a joke.

After eight years and so much frenzied anticipation, any ending would have been a letdown. Viewers are conditioned to seek a resolution, happy or sad, so it was almost fitting that this HBO series that was neither comedy nor tragedy should defy expectations in its very last moments. In that way at least “The Sopranos” delivered a perfectly imperfect finish.

The ending was a reminder of what made David Chase’s series about New Jersey mobsters so distinctive from the beginning. “The Sopranos” was the most unusual and realistic family drama in television history. There have been many good Mafia movies and one legendary trilogy, but fans had to look to literature to find comparable depictions of the complexity and inconsistencies of American family life. It was sometimes hard to bear the encomiums — the saga of the New Jersey mob family has been likened to Cheever, Dickens and Shakespeare; scripts were pored over as if they were the Dead Sea Scrolls. But its saving grace was that the series was always many different things at once.

The decline and fall of the Sopranos — Tony; his wife, Carmela; and the rest — served as a parable of America in decline, yet week to week the series was also just a gangsters’ tale, with lots of graphic sex, gruesome violence and most of all a sense of humor.

In last night’s episode Meadow Soprano, trying to explain to her father why she wants to be a civil rights lawyer, said earnestly, “The state can crush the individual.” Tony replied, “New Jersey?”

And, as last night’s episode showed one last time, a troubled marriage struggles on, devastating intergenerational conflicts scab over but never quite heal, and power comes and goes. Some things endure, but nothing is permanent in American culture, or in the Soprano family.

Tony remains alive, still in business, his wife and children are safe, but he resumes his criminal enterprise surrounded by ever-darker shadows of prosaic impeding doom: an indictment and most likely a trial.

From the very beginning of the final season, there were myriad hints and red herrings suggesting completely different conclusions. It wasn’t hard to suspect that a cornered Tony would be turned and enter a witness protection program. And that seemed to be where he was headed when he went to the F.B.I. agent named Harris whom he had mocked and dismissed for so many years, and offered information about two Muslim acquaintances, saying, “Can I bank the result in good will?”

Soon both Tony and the F.B.I. learned that Phil Leotardo, a rival mob boss, planned to take down the Sopranos and rub Tony out. Last night when Tony asked for a secret meeting with Harris to seek his help in locating Phil, he was sent away. Later Harris changed his mind, leaking to Tony Phil’s whereabouts, which he learned during postcoital pillow talk with a female agent.

And that breach of F.B.I. ethics led to one of the series’s most revolting death scenes. Phil, who had gotten out of the S.U.V. in which he was riding with his wife and their two grandchildren, was shot dead by a gunman. His wife, horrified, leapt out of the car with the shift still on drive. As the vehicle drifted forward with the two babies strapped in their car seats, the scene seemed headed toward a tragic tableau of innocent children destroyed — the collateral damage of organized crime.

Instead it veered into sick comedy: the wheels slowly crushed Phil’s head with a juicy, crunching sound that made a bystander vomit.

Tony’s troublesome son, A. J., seemed headed for disaster all season, and instead ended pretty much where he began: a spoiled, materialistic layabout. A. J.’s obsession this season with being jilted, as well as with the Iraq war, terrorism and the heedless materialism in American society, led him to a suicide attempt; after a ziti-laden buffet that followed his Uncle Bobby’s funeral in last night’s episode, A. J. lashed out at guests cheerfully discussing “American Idol” and “Dreamgirls.” He quoted a line from Yeats’s famous poem, “The Second Coming,” though he pronounced the poet’s name as if it rhymed with Pete’s.

Tony even made his peace with Uncle Junior, so senile he didn’t recognize his nephew or remember that he had shot him.

Yet Tony’s rift with his longtime psychiatrist, Dr. Melfi — so sudden it seemed hastily added in the show’s final hours to make room for a last-minute dramatic resolution — was not mended. Instead Tony went to see A. J.’s new psychiatrist, an attractive woman, and, perhaps reflexively, began to tell his own family history: loveless mother and miserable childhood. Carmela, at his side, scoffed and sent him dagger looks.

But Mr. Chase’s last joke was on his audience, not his characters. Tony, Carmela and A. J. are gathered at a diner in a rare moment of family content that cried out for violent interruption. A shifty-looking man walks in and eyes them from the counter, then, in a move echoing a scene from “The Godfather,” ominously enters the men’s room. Outside, Meadow is delayed, trying to parallel park, then begins walking toward the restaurant.

Nothing happens. Credits. What?

Mr. Chase wanted to end his tale without melodrama or even a splashy denouement. He succeeded.
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Old 06-12-2007, 07:05 AM
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with "pseto" & "Motordavid" - He's a man alone at this point - his "crew" he grew up with is basically gone - the "Bobby" line was nice foreshadowing.
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I just heard on the radio that Chase and his wife hopped a plane to France to avoid the Monday morning quaterbacking of his last episode. He doesn't want to explain or justify the ending.
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I heard that the real ending will only be avaliable on the Season finally DVD.

sorry if this was already mentioned
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after all the monday morning quarterbacking i'm convinced that Chase is niether a genius nor a grand schemer... the ending is the ending and that's it, I think we're reading into it too much.

It's over.... NEXT!






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It's over.... NEXT!

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Did anyone happen to watch the new HBO series John from Cincinatti? Only the first episode, but I found it to have a lot of potential.
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Old 06-12-2007, 08:41 AM
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Did anyone happen to watch the new HBO series John from Cincinatti? Only the first episode, but I found it to have a lot of potential.

I did, out of curiosity, seems a bit strange, I'll give it another episode or 2....
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Here's more good reading about David Chase's thoughts about the ending.

http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/06/dav...se_speaks.html

Gresch - seems like the email you got was a hoax
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Here's more good reading about David Chase's thoughts about the ending.

http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/06/dav...se_speaks.html

Gresch - seems like the email you got was a hoax
That was a good read...Thanks.
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