I want an ACCURATE answer, not just some one-sided debate thanks thou

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what is one sided about it, you wanted to know what soldiers thought...ask a couple. Try looking around: http://www.iraqwarveterans.org/

I don't think the soldiers on this board are INACCURATE, as you have eluded to.

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"promote the general welfare, not provide the general welfare"

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I believe they are not an acurate total census of what soldiers really think

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wow.

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An unwavering defender of those I see worth protecting.

"promote the general welfare, not provide the general welfare"

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

That was an interesting read. I am glad to see 'good news' from Iraq - thanks The Head

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I.e. we're brainwashed.

Just a bunch of programmed killing machines, bumping around in the dark.

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In all the history I have studied, I can think of only a single example of when the soldiers of an army walked off the field of battle and refused to follow orders.

That example is the 1917 Russian Revolution. Most of the Czar's army refused to defend his regime, and most of the soldiers switched sizes to join the revolutionists.

Even in cases of pure evil like Nazi Germany, the German soldiers fought to the death and believed in their cause.

I guess the Czar's army was not very well trained. If they were, they would not think but would simply do as ordered.

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my experience on X5world when I spend too much
time posting in political threads in the lounge...

Eric,
It has nothing to do with believing in a cause. Military personell are allowed to disagree with their mission, however, they believe in their country, and that means they carry out the orders of the Commander in Chief. You see, unlike you, they chose a side, just like others have done before them for over two hundred years. That is why the USA is still here, because there are a lot of people that believe in the constitution and choose to follow it. If you want to criticize policies, wars, etc..., go ahead, you have that right. You do not have the right however, to criticize the men and women who defend the constitution of this country by carrying out orders that are given to them.

Remind me again how this isn't a personal attack?

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