wow.

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That was an interesting read. I am glad to see 'good news' from Iraq - thanks The Head

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My nephew's not a soldier, he's a Marine, but he's in Fallujah right now - does that count?

Or is he not accurate?

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Ryan,
I've been there, does my opinion count? I have friends over there almost constantly and they all share the same sentiments that we need to be there and that we are accomplishing many, many good things. It's ironic how those of us that have been there willing to sacrifice everything are the ones who want to go back again and again. It's incredible that those who sit at home and bitch about the war are the least willing to serve this country.

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Ryan, this is indeed an accurate picture of what most of the soldiers think.

I think you would be hard pressed to find any soldiers from any country in any war who are against the war or who do not believe in their mission. Soldiers are trained to follow orders and believe in the mission.

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my experience on X5world when I spend too much
time posting in political threads in the lounge...

I.e. we're brainwashed.

Just a bunch of programmed killing machines, bumping around in the dark.

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2010 528Xi
I demand justice.
Or, if there must be injustice, let it be in my favor.

Reynold's Wrap: it's not just for hats anymore.

In all the history I have studied, I can think of only a single example of when the soldiers of an army walked off the field of battle and refused to follow orders.

That example is the 1917 Russian Revolution. Most of the Czar's army refused to defend his regime, and most of the soldiers switched sizes to join the revolutionists.

Even in cases of pure evil like Nazi Germany, the German soldiers fought to the death and believed in their cause.

I guess the Czar's army was not very well trained. If they were, they would not think but would simply do as ordered.

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time posting in political threads in the lounge...

Remind me again how this isn't a personal attack?

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I demand justice.
Or, if there must be injustice, let it be in my favor.

Reynold's Wrap: it's not just for hats anymore.

Eric,
It has nothing to do with believing in a cause. Military personell are allowed to disagree with their mission, however, they believe in their country, and that means they carry out the orders of the Commander in Chief. You see, unlike you, they chose a side, just like others have done before them for over two hundred years. That is why the USA is still here, because there are a lot of people that believe in the constitution and choose to follow it. If you want to criticize policies, wars, etc..., go ahead, you have that right. You do not have the right however, to criticize the men and women who defend the constitution of this country by carrying out orders that are given to them.