I just found my next TV - Page 2

MrLabGuy · #11 08-02-2007, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ncx

If you think a quality plasma with a good uncompressed HD signal looks looks grainy, it is either defective or maybe your eyes are!

Having seen them both side by side in a light controlled viewing room, I can assure you that 1366x768 does not look grainy next to 1920x1080, using the exact same source and letting the older panel's scaler handle the down-conversion. There is a difference but it is small.

edit: to clarify, I am talking about the same 1080p signal on a 1080p display and a 720p display. I am not talking about comparing a BR disc on a 1080p plasma to the way compressed HD cable looks on a 720p plasma. There is no 1080p source on cable or sat., so the only true comparo is to use a BR or HD HVD player on both, which is the way I compared them at my local A/V shop.

I have an HD projector too, and I agree with you, huge HD movies do rock. There is nothing like that sensory overload you get with gigantic 3D HD images. I still prefer the image on my plasma for overall quality.

IMO, don't believe the hype that a 1080p panel or PJ will 'blow you away' if you already have a high quality HD panel or HD projector. It simply isn't true, all things equal. 1080p looks great but the differences are small unless your nose is close enough to the screen to smell dinner on the HD food channel.

I am running BlueRay at 1080p and letting my plasma's scaler downconvert and it, and it is incredible but not that different from the 1080p version of my plasma at 10 feet (my seating distance). The bigger differences, IMO again, come from the AUDIO sources you get with 1080p movies (BR or HD DVD). The new audio formats (True HD, uncompressed PCM, etc) are simply mind blowing.

Yeah, I see your point and the average viewer will could not tell the difference even if you told them what to look for.

You need to understand I'm pretty picky with my audio and video. I'm one of those guys who uses exotic speaker wire and none of my cables cross over one another. I've dumped about 50K into my audio system after downsizing.

As for video...I have a Sony SRX-R105 projector which even though it only does 1080i the picture is so sharp you think you are there. Even with 5000 ANSI lumen's it still has trouble in full daylight. With curtains drawn it is no less than stunning. BTW...It is Huge and weighs in at almost 190 lbs.

Now my regular TV is not the best; however, I am still on the fence. I have one of the last Direct View Tube Sony XBR 4:3 aspect ratio HDTV's made.

Sony KV-40XBR700.

It is Big, Heavy and 4:3 aspect ratio. It does do HDTV but seeing 95% of broadcasting is done in 4:3 I decided to wait. I hate the black bars on the side of wide screen TV's...Worse yet is when people stretch the 4:3 broadcast to fit the 16:9 format.

So now you understand why I nitpick the small details.

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ncx · #12 08-02-2007, 06:37 PM

My friend has that exact XBR and it is incredible. There is no better blacks than that tube. If I remember, Gresch may have had one of the last Sony Wega's too. Or maybe it was another member. Anyhow, great stuff indeed. That is the heaviest TV I have ever experienced in my life and I told him he'd have to keep it, we're not moving it again!

My PJ is also 1080i but accepts a 1080p/24 signal so it works well with BR and HDDVD. Can't wait to see the next-gen stuff that is proposed for 2012+. Supposedly will make today's 1080p look like SD. Who knows.

I am an AV nutcase too, but I don't have 50K in my system! Enjoy!

alexz · #13 08-02-2007, 08:54 PM

Same tv HERE

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy

Yeah, I see your point and the average viewer will could not tell the difference even if you told them what to look for.

You need to understand I'm pretty picky with my audio and video. I'm one of those guys who uses exotic speaker wire and none of my cables cross over one another. I've dumped about 50K into my audio system after downsizing.

As for video...I have a Sony SRX-R105 projector which even though it only does 1080i the picture is so sharp you think you are there. Even with 5000 ANSI lumen's it still has trouble in full daylight. With curtains drawn it is no less than stunning. BTW...It is Huge and weighs in at almost 190 lbs.

Now my regular TV is not the best; however, I am still on the fence. I have one of the last Direct View Tube Sony XBR 4:3 aspect ratio HDTV's made.

Sony KV-40XBR700.

It is Big, Heavy and 4:3 aspect ratio. It does do HDTV but seeing 95% of broadcasting is done in 4:3 I decided to wait. I hate the black bars on the side of wide screen TV's...Worse yet is when people stretch the 4:3 broadcast to fit the 16:9 format.

So now you understand why I nitpick the small details.

Thunder22 · #14 08-02-2007, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLabGuy

Yeah, I see your point and the average viewer will could not tell the difference even if you told them what to look for.

You need to understand I'm pretty picky with my audio and video. I'm one of those guys who uses exotic speaker wire and none of my cables cross over one another. I've dumped about 50K into my audio system after downsizing.

As for video...I have a Sony SRX-R105 projector which even though it only does 1080i the picture is so sharp you think you are there. Even with 5000 ANSI lumen's it still has trouble in full daylight. With curtains drawn it is no less than stunning. BTW...It is Huge and weighs in at almost 190 lbs.

Now my regular TV is not the best; however, I am still on the fence. I have one of the last Direct View Tube Sony XBR 4:3 aspect ratio HDTV's made.

Sony KV-40XBR700.

It is Big, Heavy and 4:3 aspect ratio. It does do HDTV but seeing 95% of broadcasting is done in 4:3 I decided to wait. I hate the black bars on the side of wide screen TV's...Worse yet is when people stretch the 4:3 broadcast to fit the 16:9 format.

So now you understand why I nitpick the small details.

that's my current tv

AzX5 · #15 08-02-2007, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ncx

If you think a quality plasma with a good uncompressed HD signal looks looks grainy, it is either defective or maybe your eyes are!

Having seen them both side by side in a light controlled viewing room, I can assure you that 1366x768 does not look grainy next to 1920x1080, using the exact same source and letting the older panel's scaler handle the down-conversion. There is a difference but it is small.

edit: to clarify, I am talking about the same 1080p signal on a 1080p display and a 720p display. I am not talking about comparing a BR disc on a 1080p plasma to the way compressed HD cable looks on a 720p plasma. There is no 1080p source on cable or sat., so the only true comparo is to use a BR or HD HVD player on both, which is the way I compared them at my local A/V shop.

It would depend on the size of the screen. The bigger the screen, the more grainy that 720 lines is going to look vs. the 1080 lines. At 42" or below, no difference. At 65", probably noticeable. If you want large screen, plasma can't compete in price. $2k for 65" 1080P can get you this:

http://www.amazon.com/HDtv-rmvble-Bo...102539&sr=8-45

ncx · #16 08-02-2007, 09:42 PM

It totally depends on viewing distance and size as said before. For a 65" screen you have to be less than 9' or 8' from the screen to see any difference of a 1080P display. Very few people sit that close to a 65" display. In fact, optimal distance for a 65" is 16 feet.

In other words, a 1080p 65" screen, with a 1080p source, viewed from more than 9', looks just like a 720p. Distance matters. If you are too far to see a difference, don't waste your money. See the chart.

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