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Old 10-14-2007, 01:58 PM
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why is Turkey pretending they didn't kill 1.5M people?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html


If Stalin and Hitler had to own up to it, so do you....
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Old 10-14-2007, 02:21 PM
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You do realize that the 1.5 million is an estimate right? That number was gotten the same way this study was done. They don't really have names and social security numbers for all the people who were killed. It's also the same way most of the casualty numbers from WWI and WWII, including the holocaust, were calculated.

And surprise surprise:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/54005.php
Bush, Blair And Howard Reject 650,000 Iraqi Deaths Estimate



Likewise, at the time, here is what the Turks had to say (and not surprisingly, they still stick to their story):

http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.ph...s_-nyt19151015
Turkish Official Denies Atrocities
New York Times, October 15, 1915

Djelal Munif Bey, the Turkish Consul General in New York, in an official statement to THE TIMES yesterday declared the report made public a week ago last Sunday by the American Committee on Armenian Atrocities, which asserted that not in the one thousand years just ended had a people suffered such terrible outrages as are those the Turks are perpetrating upon the Armenians to be a fabrication.

He then dictated the following statement:

"The daily newspapers have lately been publishing extensive reports of wholesale massacres of Armenians in Turkey, some of them going as far as to state that 800,000 Armenians had been slaughtered in every conceivable and imaginable way."

"These wholesale accusations against the Turkish Government and nation were given out to the press without slightest effort being made toward ascertaining the extent of truth there is in them."


The only country in history that has come forward and admitted to genocide is Germany. And even in Germany, there are still plenty of holocaust deniers. At least the government has taken the correct position, admitted their fault, and paid reperations to the victims families.

And BTW, Stalin and Hitler never "owned up" to anything.
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Better question:

Why have Democrats raised this issue now when we heavily depend on Turkey for military base logistics to supply Afghanistan and Iraq?

Foreign policy blunder of the highest magnitude in a time of war. Stupid is as Stupid does.
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Old 10-14-2007, 03:46 PM
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Hmm, when you question a genocide it is fine, when Tehran does it it isn't...funny. I guess Turkish governments don't lie.

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You do realize that the 1.5 million is an estimate right? That number was gotten the same way this study was done. They don't really have names and social security numbers for all the people who were killed. It's also the same way most of the casualty numbers from WWI and WWII, including the holocaust, were calculated.

And surprise surprise:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/54005.php
Bush, Blair And Howard Reject 650,000 Iraqi Deaths Estimate



Likewise, at the time, here is what the Turks had to say (and not surprisingly, they still stick to their story):

http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.ph...s_-nyt19151015
Turkish Official Denies Atrocities
New York Times, October 15, 1915

Djelal Munif Bey, the Turkish Consul General in New York, in an official statement to THE TIMES yesterday declared the report made public a week ago last Sunday by the American Committee on Armenian Atrocities, which asserted that not in the one thousand years just ended had a people suffered such terrible outrages as are those the Turks are perpetrating upon the Armenians to be a fabrication.

He then dictated the following statement:

"The daily newspapers have lately been publishing extensive reports of wholesale massacres of Armenians in Turkey, some of them going as far as to state that 800,000 Armenians had been slaughtered in every conceivable and imaginable way."

"These wholesale accusations against the Turkish Government and nation were given out to the press without slightest effort being made toward ascertaining the extent of truth there is in them."


The only country in history that has come forward and admitted to genocide is Germany. And even in Germany, there are still plenty of holocaust deniers. At least the government has taken the correct position, admitted their fault, and paid reperations to the victims families.

And BTW, Stalin and Hitler never "owned up" to anything.
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Better question:

Why have Democrats raised this issue now when we heavily depend on Turkey for military base logistics to supply Afghanistan and Iraq?

Foreign policy blunder of the highest magnitude in a time of war. Stupid is as Stupid does.

I lean more to the fact that we want Turkey WAY more involved in running Iraq when we are gone as opposed to Iran.
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Hmm, when you question a genocide it is fine, when Tehran does it it isn't...funny. I guess Turkish governments don't lie.
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Old 10-15-2007, 10:54 AM
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Ah, that explains it
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Old 10-15-2007, 10:55 AM
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Eric's well known for ignoring "inconvienent" facts.
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I find it sad that it's come to the point that US officials are telling the public that they aren't admitting genocide because they need to maintain an alliance with Turkey to use their soil for military purposes.

The turkish government needs to admit to what they did in the early 1900's there's no doubt about that. The white house needs to recognize it as historical fact as well.

Is it bad timing for the US to put pressure on Turkey? Sure. However, it is something that needs to be done.
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The turkish government needs to admit to what they did in the early 1900's there's no doubt about that. The white house needs to recognize it as historical fact as well.
Has the American government ever admitted to committing genocide against Native Americans?
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