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Old 11-02-2007, 11:36 AM
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Best Health Care System in the World??

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The U.S. Is Unhappy with Its Health Care

A new survey shows the percentage of Americans who want wholesale system reform is higher than in six other industrialized countries

In a freshly minted radio commercial, Republican Presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani boasts, "We have the best health-care system in the world." It's an oft-heard refrain from politicians and policymakers. Patients beg to differ.

According to a survey published on Nov. 1 in the journal Health Affairs, one-third of U.S. adults believe that the U.S. health-care system has to be rebuilt completely—double the percentage who want a dramatic overhaul in the six other nations whose residents took part in the survey. The U.S. ranked dead last on the question whether more than minor system changes were needed.

The nonpartisan New York City-based Commonwealth Fund, which studies health-care issues, interviewed 12,000 adults in Canada, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Britain, Australia, and the U.S. this spring to get a handle on actual patient experiences and perceptions. The results paint a damning picture of user satisfaction with the American health-care system and could provide fodder in a Presidential campaign where health care is expected to play a major role (BusinessWeek.com, 9/17/07). All the countries in the survey except the U.S. have universal health coverage, and the percentage of GDP the U.S. spends on medical care is about twice as high as the other six.
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U.S. patients were the only ones to report serious problems paying bills (19%). Plus, 30% of patients paid $1,000 or more out-of-pocket over the past year, while the percentage of patients laying out that much in the other six ranged from 4% (Britain) to 19% (Australia). Nearly two out of five U.S. adults and 42% of those with chronic illnesses skipped medications or did not see a doctor when sick because of cost. Those rates are much higher in the U.S. than in any other country.

"The U.S. often stands out [in the survey] for negative care experiences," says lead author Cathy Schoen, Commonwealth Fund senior vice-president. In a Commonwealth study released last year, the U.S. received low grades (BusinessWeek.com, 9/21/06) in outcomes, quality of care, access to care, and efficiency, compared with other industrialized nations.

According to Schoen, the more negative or costly the experience, the more negative the overall perception of the health-care system. Dissatisfaction with the U.S. system crosses socioeconomic lines, too. Both high- and low-income respondents had similarly negative views of the U.S. health-care system, Schoen notes.
Would Never Be Good?

Though they're not happy with aspects of the system, U.S. residents are about as confident as those of other nations that they would get high-quality care and the best drugs and medical technology. The Netherlands consistently scored higher in all three categories. Still, U.S. patients can't count on speedy access to care; 51% said they could not get an appointment (BusinessWeek.com, 6/22/07) the same or the next day when they were sick. Only Canada scored worse, with 64% saying they had to wait.

Once in the health-care system, 32% of U.S. patients suffered medical mistakes, the highest rate of the seven nations. That could be because the U.S. ranked last when it came to their doctors having access to their medical records at the time of an office visit.
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Old 11-02-2007, 11:43 AM
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It cost me $200 to have my wife go to the hospital, stay 3 days in a private room and have a baby....pretty good if you ask me.
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It cost me $200 to have my wife go to the hospital, stay 3 days in a private room and have a baby....pretty good if you ask me.
Yes but YOUR plan is rare, The fact is our health insurance is great is your
A)REALLY poor and the Big Boys Pay for it
B) Really Rich and WANT to Pay the price for the premium

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It is not as rare as you think.
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We all know how great the government is at running programs. If you want to know how a government health plan would look imagine going to the DMV only this time it is the Department of Hospital and Medical Services.

Really it is not that far off...Stand in line for hours which would be the Emergency Room or use the automated system to make an appointment.

Hey...But what do we care...Its free. Unless you consider the taxes it would cost to pay for such a system.
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Yes but YOUR plan is rare, The fact is our health insurance is great is your
A)REALLY poor and the Big Boys Pay for it
B) Really Rich and WANT to Pay the price for the premium

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Not quite...Most people in the middle have jobs and the majority of those have some type of health coverage. HMO's are not expensive and provide better care than the indigent health care system currently in place through the government. Here in California Medi-Cal is a mess and very expensive for taxpayers.
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Not quite...Most people in the middle have jobs and the majority of those have some type of health coverage. HMO's are not expensive and provide better care than the indigent health care system currently in place through the government. Here in California Medi-Cal is a mess and very expensive for taxpayers.
HMO's are cheap? Your delusional, with the exception of Kaiser *throws up*
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We all know how great the government is at running programs. If you want to know how a government health plan would look imagine going to the DMV only this time it is the Department of Hospital and Medical Services.

Really it is not that far off...Stand in line for hours which would be the Emergency Room or use the automated system to make an appointment.

Hey...But what do we care...Its free. Unless you consider the taxes it would cost to pay for such a system.
ROFL That reminds me of a Mad tv skit about Child Services, "Your child has been assigned a new name: 10101010A001
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We all know how great the government is at running programs. If you want to know how a government health plan would look imagine going to the DMV only this time it is the Department of Hospital and Medical Services.

Really it is not that far off...Stand in line for hours which would be the Emergency Room or use the automated system to make an appointment.
Apparently you missed the part of the article that said:

Still, U.S. patients can't count on speedy access to care; 51% said they could not get an appointment (BusinessWeek.com, 6/22/07) the same or the next day when they were sick. Only Canada scored worse, with 64% saying they had to wait.

Why not have a program like they do in the other 5 countries, where there is less waiting time??

Or are you saying that the US government is not capable of doing what those other 5 governments are doing?



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Hey...But what do we care...Its free. Unless you consider the taxes it would cost to pay for such a system.
Perhaps you missed the part of the article that said:

the percentage of GDP the U.S. spends on medical care is about twice as high as the other six.

So the cost per capita would actually be less than half.

May I suggest reading the article next time before making comments about it.
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OK Eric, name some efficiently run US Government social service programs. Also list the tax rates, population, domestic spending, military spending, and foreign aid contributions of the five Government examples you suggest we copy.

Also consider that many of the 51% who claimed that they could not get an appointment the same day or next day were most likely on a Government program such as Medicare or Medicaid. Clinics who provide medical services for these programs don't have the resources or the medical staffing to give instant care. Many providers opt out of the programs and cater to people with 3rd party insurance were you can get seen the same day or next day.

If you're a bum or a drug addict and run out of pain meds you might need to wait a couple of days before seeing a doctor at the free clinic. If these people want better care I suggest they lay off the drugs and get a job. That tattoo of the upside down cross on their face and the hoop nose ring might have been a bad career move.
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