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Old 01-26-2008, 02:00 PM
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Question Sylvester Stallone defends using HGH

Wow, I would be wise to investigate the use of HGH since I'm over 40


Sat Jan 26, 8:31 AM ET

NEW YORK - Sylvester Stallone says he used human growth hormone to get buff for the new "Rambo" movie, and defends its use. "HGH (human growth hormone) is nothing," the 61-year-old actor tells Time magazine in its Feb. 4 issue. "Anyone who calls it a steroid is grossly misinformed."

Because it is nearly undetectable, HGH has become a substance of great concern in major league baseball and other sports battling allegations of rampant doping.

"Testosterone to me is so important for a sense of well-being when you get older," he says. "Everyone over 40 years old would be wise to investigate it because it increases the quality of your life. Mark my words. In 10 years it will be over the counter."

Stallone directed and co-wrote the new "Rambo" movie, which arrived in theaters Friday.
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Old 01-26-2008, 02:08 PM
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i know a few physicians who treat their elderly parents with hgh and they say the quality of life is definitely improved

Studies of healthy older adults taking human growth hormone are limited. Many involve a small number of people followed for a short period of time. The studies that have been conducted have found that human growth hormone injections can increase muscle mass and reduce the amount of body fat in healthy older adults.

That increase in muscle doesn't translate into increased strength. Though the study participants gained muscle, they weren't any stronger. One study compared older men who took human growth hormone with older men who went through strength training programs. The bottom line: Strength training can increase both your muscle mass and your strength, making it cheaper and more effective than taking human growth hormone.

It isn't clear whether human growth hormone can provide other benefits, such as increased bone density and improved mood, to healthy adults. Most of the research into human growth hormone has focused on people with true growth hormone deficiencies.

Taking human growth hormone can cause a number of side effects, including:

* Swelling in your arms and legs
* Arthritis-like symptoms
* Carpal tunnel symptoms
* Headaches
* Bloating
* Muscle pain
* Diabetes
* Abnormal growth of bones and internal organs
* Hardening of the arteries
* High blood pressure
The stuff is not cheap either,,, i believe a nasal spray has been released but i'm not sure on the efficacy
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Old 01-26-2008, 02:12 PM
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There are also physicians that say HgH use on the elderly actually quickens death. There is a reason your body naturally stops producing it
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Old 01-26-2008, 02:15 PM
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there are no studies so i guess we'll have to see when stallone dies.....i think it's worthwhile if the patients quality of life is limited due to stoke or whatever...Personally i don't prescribe it ... i get a lot more requests for PDE-5 inhibitors

Human growth hormone is also approved for:

* Children with short stature
* Children with kidney failure
* Children with Prader-Willi syndrome
* Children with Turner's syndrome
* Muscle wasting associated with AIDS and HIV

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Old 01-26-2008, 02:18 PM
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here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N1F6I-L008

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Old 01-26-2008, 02:23 PM
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Yeah...there is no evidence to suggest that HGH is actually bad for you. At this point it is all just rumors until they do some actual studies.
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The producers of this video totally discredited themselves when they discussed Chelation. I actually know quite a bit about this as my dad underwent chelation therapy last year after having a major heart attack. The insurance companies consider it an "experimental" therapy, so he had to pay out of pocket. The doctors all told him that if he didn't take various medications, that he would not live more than another few months. Instead, he refused the medication and after chelation therapy. We did a lot of reading about it, and contrary to what that video claims, every study I could find on Chelation therapy shows that it works wonders. In fact, it is used throughout Europe and is the major way that they treat heart disease over there. However, here in the US where health care is a major money-making industry, they want you to take medication for everything. So the drug companies have gone out of their ways to squash any natural remedies and make sure that people take medication instead. While I don't know enough to make this claim, it's possible that HGH is another case of this as well. As for my dad, I guess they would claim that his heart disease is all in his mind, because somehow his arteries all managed to clean themselves out without any medication.
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Old 01-26-2008, 02:35 PM
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The producers of this video totally discredited themselves when they discussed Chelation. I actually know quite a bit about this as my dad underwent chelation therapy last year after having a major heart attack. The insurance companies consider it an "experimental" therapy, so he had to pay out of pocket. The doctors all told him that if he didn't take various medications, that he would not live more than another few months. Instead, he refused the medication and after chelation therapy. We did a lot of reading about it, and contrary to what that video claims, every study I could find on Chelation therapy shows that it works wonders. In fact, it is used throughout Europe and is the major way that they treat heart disease over there. However, here in the US where health care is a major money-making industry, they want you to take medication for everything. So the drug companies have gone out of their ways to squash any natural remedies and make sure that people take medication instead. While I don't know enough to make this claim, it's possible that HGH is another case of this as well.
Discredited, in your eyes.

Chelation (pronounced key-LAY-shun) therapy is an investigational therapy using a man-made amino acid, called EDTA. It is added to the blood through a vein.

AKA, removes heavy-metals from the body, like in lead poisoning, so if heavy-metal was the problem..then it probably worked.

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The American Heart Association has reviewed the available literature on using chelation (ke-LA'shun) (E.D.T.A., ethylenediamine tetraacetic acid) to treat arteriosclerotic (ar-te"re-o-skleh-ROT'ik) heart disease. We found no scientific evidence to demonstrate any benefit from this form of therapy.
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Discredited, in your eyes.
Yes, I'm sure plenty of others will believe it. My dad has some friends that also had heart problems, and all of them went on various cholesterol-lowering medications, and in almost all cases, they had various other problems caused by the medications -- usually liver problems. My dad on the other hand, is totally healthy today, and his cardiologist seems amazed and even asked him for some information on chelation last time he went for a checkup. The doctor admitted to him that he didn't really know anything about chelation but had been told it did not work.

But his checkups show that somehow the blockages in my his arteries are all gone, and his cholesterol levels have gone from over 250 to around 160 without any medication.

Whether people want to believe it or not, our health care system is ruled by the mighty dollar. As a result, any natural remedies will always be discredited in favor of expensive medications. If you want to see what really works, take a look at what they do in countries with socialized medicine where there is no profit motive entering the equation. You will find much less medication and much more in the way of natural remedies.
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AKA, removes heavy-metals from the body, like in lead poisoning, so if heavy-metal was the problem..then it probably worked.
The plaque that blocks arteries and causes heart disease is made up of mostly heavy metals. The cholesterol only seves as the bonding agent, i.e. the glue, that holds the heavy metals together to block the arteries.
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