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Old 10-31-2008, 01:23 PM
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....and Polocks are dumb, Gypsies are all thieves and bandits, Irish are drunks, Italians are all in the mob, etc. Please keep your racist ignorance to yourself.

None of what you wrote even close to resembles the truth. It's what the propogandists at Fox News and the Rush Limbaugh show want you to believe. And as you have even pointed out, it doesn't even make any sense!

People in the Middle East, and even in Iran, love American culture, Hollywood, American music, American products live Levis Jeans, etc. What they don't love is our military being in their country. That is why they hate us. It has nothing to do with our culture or even our religion.

But by making you think that they hate us because of "who we are", and not because of "what we do", they remove any responsibility from the equation. But we do have control over this. We can be nice and then most of the world will like us, or we can be bastards and most of the world will hate us. Most recently our government has chosen the later.
Just curious where you get that, from your VAST travels through the Middle East? While I would never say "hey they are all like that" I'd listen to someone who has spent time there before I'd listen to a correspondents interpretation.
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Old 10-31-2008, 01:25 PM
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Old 10-31-2008, 01:25 PM
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....and Polocks are dumb, Gypsies are all thieves and bandits, Irish are drunks, Italians are all in the mob, etc. Please keep your racist ignorance to yourself.

None of what you wrote even close to resembles the truth. It's what the propogandists at Fox News and the Rush Limbaugh show want you to believe. And as you have even pointed out, it doesn't even make any sense!

People in the Middle East, and even in Iran, love American culture, Hollywood, American music, American products live Levis Jeans, etc. What they don't love is our military being in their country. That is why they hate us. It has nothing to do with our culture or even our religion.

But by making you think that they hate us because of "who we are", and not because of "what we do", they remove any responsibility from the equation. But we do have control over this. We can be nice and then most of the world will like us, or we can be bastards and most of the world will hate us. Most recently our government has choicen the later.
Actually one of my friends, Matt, that I had to watch buried in front of his 4 and 6 year old sons... told me when he was home between 1st tour and 2nd tour that probably 9 out of 10 "terrorist holds" they took out had LOTS of porn, INCLUDING some strange shit like transvestite porn and beastiality porn. He said those are some sick fucks. But that doesn't mean ALL of them, only the terrorist extremists. MOST of the population were "great, normal people" with loving families that wanted similar things out of life as you and I.
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Old 10-31-2008, 01:27 PM
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Just curious where you get that, from your VAST travels through the Middle East? While I would never say "hey they are all like that" I'd listen to someone who has spent time there before I'd listen to a correspondents interpretation.
I have 2 friends who lived most of their lives there. One is Syrian, and one is Palestinean. One came here in her teens, the other in her 20s. I also had a good friend in college who was Iraqi and lived most of his life under Saddam Hussein's regime, and came to the US for college. Aside from the fact that any book you read by anyone who IS Middle Eastern (not an American who travelled there) will say the same thing. This crap is just propganda thrown out there by those who want to justify invading these countries.

And as 2 people have now pointed out, even these mean terrorists like porn. So I guess it is not their great religious beliefs that drive their cause, huh? So then what must it be? If religion was so important to them, then they obviously would not have porn.
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Actually one of my friends, Matt, that I had to watch buried in front of his 4 and 6 year old sons... told me when he was home between 1st tour and 2nd tour that probably 9 out of 10 "terrorist holds" they took out had LOTS of porn, INCLUDING some strange shit like transvestite porn and beastiality porn. He said those are some sick fucks. But that doesn't mean ALL of them, only the terrorist extremists. MOST of the population were "great, normal people" with loving families that wanted similar things out of life as you and I.
Sorry to hear about your friend. But yes, they are not much different than we are. They have their wackos and their normal people just like every other society.
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Old 10-31-2008, 01:39 PM
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I have 2 friends who lived most of their lives there. One is Syrian, and one is Palestinean. One came here in her teens, the other in her 20s. I also had a good friend in college who was Iraqi and lived most of his life under Saddam Hussein's regime, and came to the US for college. Aside from the fact that any book you read by anyone who IS Middle Eastern (not an American who travelled there) will say the same thing. This crap is just propganda thrown out there by those who want to justify invading these countries.

And as 2 people have now pointed out, even these mean terrorists like porn. So I guess it is not their great religious beliefs that drive their cause, huh? So then what must it be? If religion was so important to them, then they obviously would not have porn.

What are you talking about??
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What are you talking about??
I'm saying that on one hand you guys are saying that these terrorists are religious extremists and are trying to kill Americans because they hate our culture and our religion, and on the other hand you are saying they must not be very religious since they have lots of porn, American porn to be specific. Sounds like they don't hate our culture so much after all. So then what is their motivation to be "terrorists"? Could it be that they want our military to leave their country, and beyond that they don't care about us or our culture? We know they are obviously sincere in whatever their cause is, since they are willing to die for it. So that rules out that they are frauds.
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I'm saying that on one hand you guys are saying that these terrorists are religious extremists and are trying to kill Americans because they hate our culture and our religion, and on the other hand you are saying they must not be very religious since they have lots of porn, American porn to be specific. Sounds like they don't hate our culture so much after all. So then what is their motivation to be "terrorists"? Could it be that they want our military to leave their country, and beyond that they don't care about us or our culture? We know they are obviously sincere in whatever their cause is, since they are willing to die for it. So that rules out that they are frauds.
Wow.. ...So you're saying that since they have alleged American porn.they all of a sudden don't hate our culture..uh yeah...If you've got American porn that means you don't hate America and our way of life! Of course!!!

2nd, So all we have to do is leave and the terrorism will stop?!! Wow...of course!! Thats the answer!!
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Old 10-31-2008, 02:18 PM
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Wow.. ...So you're saying that since they have alleged American porn.they all of a sudden don't hate our culture..uh yeah...If you've got American porn that means you don't hate America and our way of life! Of course!!!

2nd, So all we have to do is leave and the terrorism will stop?!! Wow...of course!! Thats the answer!!



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....and Polocks are dumb, Gypsies are all thieves and bandits, Irish are drunks, Italians are all in the mob, etc. Please keep your racist ignorance to yourself.

None of what you wrote even close to resembles the truth. It's what the propogandists at Fox News and the Rush Limbaugh show want you to believe. And as you have even pointed out, it doesn't even make any sense!
Oh I see, I'm racist now, is that it?? What a sh!tty, petty little girl-slap on your part! I said absolutely NOTHING racist in my post, but I guess when you're a terrorist-sympathizer who thinks Al-Qaeda tried to "minimize casualties" on 9/11, playing the "RACIST" card is just par for the course for you. I was simply pointing out what I saw a Marine say on the Discovery Times Channel, not on Fox News or on Rush Limbaugh.

If speaking ill of "terrorists" in safehouse makes me "racist", then what adjectives would we then assign to you Eric?? How about ANTI-SEMITIC, SCHIZOPHRENIC, PRO-AL QAEDA, and HATE-MONGERING for starters....

Nice try on the "racist" play, but I think the other guys on here are smart enough to cut through that bullshit smear.
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