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Wagner · #**221** 11-02-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Do you know everyone who lives in your neighborhood? If you are like most people, I would guess probably not.

So imagine now that the US government gave another country permission to bomb your neighborhood to kill a terrorist who had committed crimes against that country, and in the bombing some of your family members were killed. Let's suppose the country that did this was not one who was incredibly popular in our society to begin with, like for example Cuba or Venezuela, or Iran. And let's suppose there was a revolutionary group that carried out attacks against this country's military. Following the loss of your wife, or kid, or whoever was killed, would you do nothing, or would you go join that group to get revenge? I'd say that a good percentage of people, given those circumstances, would go join the group. And that is exactly what is happening in the Middle East every time we kill civilians. We kill one terrorist, kill 5 civilians in the process, and 10 more people go join the terorrist group. It is counter-productive. It's like trying to put out a fire with gasoline.

You're kidding right?

Again, I disagree with your Utopian ideas..move on

No amount of Utopian socialist babble will change this. The day terrorists are not inter-mingled with "regular" citizens...we can discuss. Sort of like the British during the US Revolutionary war saying "gee since we can't distinguish militia from citizens..lets kill no one"

I guess your solution would be go after no one because we just can't be 100% sure (similarly inline with your thoughts on the death penalty)

that would be FAILURE and another reason I'm glad you have nothing to do with DoD

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Dannyell · #**222** 11-02-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner

You're kidding right?

Again, I disagree with your Utopian ideas..move on

No amount of Utopian socialist babble will change this. The day terrorists are not inter-mingled with "regular" citizens...we can discuss. Sort of like the British during the US Revolutionary war saying "gee since we can't distinguish militia from citizens..lets kill no one"

I guess your solution would be go after no one because we just can't be 100% sure (similarly inline with your thoughts on the death penalty)

that would be FAILURE and another reason I'm glad you have nothing to do with DoD

So wagner when you go to your neighbor's house and kill the bad guys but take his wife out too you'd say 'nagging wife anyways'

I can agree on both sides...but I expect more from my government

Wagner · #**223** 11-02-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dannyell

So wagner when you go to your neighbor's house and kill the bad guys but take his wife out too you'd say 'nagging wife anyways'

I can agree on both sides...but I expect more from my government

we are all dumber for having read this line

amazing someone so adamant about the other side of the argument could now say "I can agree on both sides"

Dannyell · #**224** 11-02-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner

we are all dumber for having read this line

amazing someone so adamant about the other side of the argument could now say "I can agree on both sides"

I can actually...but i don't want to LOL

Eric5273 · #**225** 11-02-2008, 08:13 PM

Americans went and joined the military in record number after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, and after the 9/11 attacks. This isn't behavior unique to Americans. When people are attacked, they want to fight back. Middle Eastern people are no different. Right now Al-Queda is the only group fighting back, and that is why they are able to recruit so easily.

Did you ever wonder how many Al-Queda there are? It would seem that after 7 years we have killed most of them by now. The reason we don't seem to be making much progress is because new people keep joining the movement.

If any of you have ever studied history, and I know you have Wagner, this should remind you of the KKK in 1870 when Governor Brownlow called for the Union Army to come to Tennessee and eradicate the KKK. Seemed like a good idea at the time. The end result was a number of huge battles between the Union Army and a KKK army of several thousand. The Union Army won each of these battles with ease, but the KKK did not seem to go away. Instead, the opposite happened. The KKK became more popular, and more people joined. Eventually, by the middle of the decade, President Grant realized this strategy wasn't working, and he withdrew the Army from the South.

Lots of lessons to be learned from that bit of history. Lesson #1 was that extremists thrive on violence as it helps them recruit more people to their cause. Lesson #2 is that the only way to defeat extremist groups is to alter the society in which they exist, not to take them on directly. The Civil Rights movement did not fire a single shot or kill a single KKK member, yet it managed to cause this group, that had over 4 million members at its peak, to become small and insignificant.

Wagner · #**226** 11-02-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dannyell

I can actually...but i don't want to LOL

Dannyell · #**227** 11-02-2008, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Americans went and joined the military in record number after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, and after the 9/11 attacks. This isn't behavior unique to Americans. When people are attacked, they want to fight back. Middle Eastern people are no different. Right now Al-Queda is the only group fighting back, and that is why they are able to recruit so easily.

Did you ever wonder how many Al-Queda there are? It would seem that after 7 years we have killed most of them by now. The reason we don't seem to be making much progress is because new people keep joining the movement.

If any of you have ever studied history, and I know you have Wagner, this should remind you of the KKK in 1870 when Governor Brownlow called for the Union Army to come to Tennessee and eradicate the KKK. Seemed like a good idea at the time. The end result was a number of huge battles between the Union Army and a KKK army of several thousand. The Union Army won each of these battles with ease, but the KKK did not seem to go away. Instead, the opposite happened. The KKK became more popular, and more people joined. Eventually, by the middle of the decade, President Grant realized this strategy wasn't working, and he withdrew the Army from the South.

Lots of lessons to be learned from that bit of history. Lesson #1 was that extremists thrive on violence as it helps them recruit more people to their cause. Lesson #2 is that the only way to defeat extremist groups is to alter the society in which they exist, not to take them on directly. The Civil Rights movement did not fire a single shot or kill a single KKK member, yet it managed to cause this group, that had over 4 million members at its peak, to become small and insignificant.

Yeah...every 'terrorist' that we go after is a senior al-queda....

Weasel · #**228** 11-02-2008, 09:15 PM

Pulled from a song by megadeth named Amerikhastan:

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No rules of engagement, this enemy hides
Amongst women and children

And to beat violence, you must ignore the focus groups
You must send in the Mossad, turn of the BBC, CNN
And don't look back
Rest assured there'll be no more Middle Eastern crisis, hell!
There'll be no more Middle East!
These are your people Liberty
Pull up your dress today
And tattooed is "property of The USA
A subsidiary of Halliburton"
Surprise?!
But a roaring lion is about to be on earth
Hey, Jihad Joe? Guess what? We're coming to get you!

Just found it funny yet somewhat relevant as this album was released in 07 and referring to the current war.

Eric5273 · #**229** 11-02-2008, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dannyell

Yeah...every 'terrorist' that we go after is a senior al-queda....

Most of the "terrorists" that "we" (not me) go after have nothing at all to do with al-queda and are just Iraqi citizens fighting against a foreign army that invaded their homeland.

FSETH · #**230** 11-02-2008, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric5273

Did you ever wonder how many Al-Queda there are? It would seem that after 7 years we have killed most of them by now. The reason we don't seem to be making much progress is because new people keep joining the movement.

The problem with that though is that there many many innocent kids being trained and brainwashed from an early age to hate Americans and everything we stand for based on the hatred that their parents have in their hearts. There will always be another generation of terrorists. Plus many other adults are forced into it. Not really a fair arguement.

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