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Old 01-09-2009, 11:50 AM
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I don't want to preach to people whether they should or shouldn't drink and drive.
You lose me right there. DUI is NOT a personal choice that has no consequences. I DO want to preach to others not to drink and drive. I think you are trying to figure out how close to the edge you can walk, without falling off the cliff. Bad idea.
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You lose me right there. DUI is NOT a personal choice that has no consequences. I DO want to preach to others not to drink and drive. I think you are trying to figure out how close to the edge you can walk, without falling off the cliff. Bad idea.
I think what we are struggling with here is definition. Noone is "DUI", a legal term, unless they have a BAC of .08% or above. That is the level that is legally defined as the baseline for "impaired". Noone is saying that people should drive "under the influence" (i.e. >=.08%). We ARE saying that we don't see an issue with driving UNDER that limit.

It sounds to me like your position is that the definition of DUI should be >.00%, which, unfortunately, is not the definition or legal limit. I fully accept that it is your right to hold that belief and opinion, but that's all it is at this point - your opinion.
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Old 01-09-2009, 12:17 PM
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I think what we are struggling with here is definition. Noone is "DUI", a legal term, unless they have a BAC of .08% or above. That is the level that is legally defined as the baseline for "impaired". Noone is saying that people should drive "under the influence" (i.e. >=.08%). We ARE saying that we don't see an issue with driving UNDER that limit.
No, in most states DUI is a subjective determination by the LEO that can be applied even if your BAC is less than the limit, if your driving is impaired. Which shows that even the legal system accepts that the fine motor skills and judgement can be effected even lower than the magical number.

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It sounds to me like your position is that the definition of DUI should be >.00%, which, unfortunately, is not the definition or legal limit. I fully accept that it is your right to hold that belief and opinion, but that's all it is at this point - your opinion.
Thanks, I didn't say that. All I am saying is that if I am out at Hooter's with friends, I drink no more than one beer per hour, and nothing in the last hour before leaving. Adult males can generally metabolize one drink per hour, which means I make sure I have NOTHING left in my system prior to getting back in the car. So yes, for myself, I am 100% sure I am back to a BAC of 0.0 before I drive. I consider it, oh....perhaps....responsibility?
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