So which dog do you think it will be? - Page 3

B-Line · #21 01-14-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by x54.4blue

All I know is that she breeds healthy dogs and does not abuse the bitch or the pumps. When you consider the expense of the dogs, the vet and related expenses she is not making a lot of money. She has a contract with the breeder she got the dogs from and follows it. She actually interviews the perspective owners.

Not sure if you can call any mixture a pure bread but that's a different topic. People want the new breed mutt or not.

Does she go to dog shows to qualify her dogs?
Does she go to confirmations?
Does she abide by a set of standards that are designed for the betterment of the breed?
Does she meet regularly with other Labradoodle breeders to inspect and evaluate dogs and decide which ones best meet the original criteria for the breed and then breed those dogs that compliment those standards?
Does she spend money registering her dogs with any club, AKC, BKC, etc?
Does she spend any money going to shows? Paying for hotels? Entrance fee's? grooming for shoes? Class work to prepare for shows?
How does she decide what dogs to pair together?
How does she get great Standard Poodles and great Labradors if no great Poodle or Lab breeders would ever let anyone make a hybrid mix?
What experience did she having breeding dogs before she decided to combine a Poodle and Lab?
How can she sell a dog and claim that it won't shed when it's 50/50 likely that the dog will have a Lab type coat and not a Poodle type coat?
How does she assess the quality control of her dogs? What benchmarks does she use for temperament?

What your friend is doing is simple. She is not a serious breeder. She has taken two dogs, mated them together in the room and then sold their stock as some designer dog breed, even though, there is no breed called a LABRADOODLE.. That's a nickname for a certain type of mutt. And calling it a "Breed" is unscrupulous considering there are no defined standards, there are no recognized clubs, there is no real heritage and also, there is no real reason for this production of this type of dog, other than to fulfill a fad.
It is not specifically designed to do ANYTHING.. And the nature of new breeds is that they were crossed to do something that no other breed did before.

So while your friend might love dogs. Might make some money generating mutt liters sold as a designer breed, what she is really doing is further encouraging people who don't know anything about dogs or breeding to generating back yard puppies for the ideals of making money off a quick fad.

Hence, HERGO, THEREFOR..... SHE IS UNSCRUPULOUS....

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E61Silver · #22 01-14-2009, 05:18 PM

B-Line

It seems that your line of reasoning is that Labradoodles are mutts and therefore anyone connected to them are bad and unscrupulous.

Do you think the president is a jerk for considering owning a Labradoodle?

B-Line · #23 01-14-2009, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by x54.4blue

B-Line

It seems that your line of reasoning is that Labradoodles are mutts and therefore anyone connected to them are bad and unscrupulous.

Do you think the president is a jerk for considering owning a Labradoodle?

What I am saying is, in the established dog community, what back yard breeders are doing, creating designer dogs with catchy names and selling them as a new breed, is widely considered unethical.

Just as Puppy mills are unethical. Just as casual back yard breeders are unethical.

Breeding is a speciality that should be reserved for people who actually understand what to breed, why to breed and how to breed.

I have a friend who has a Chi and people come up to her on the street all the time and say, "I have a Chi too, we should breed our dogs together"..
- That is exactly what the formal dog community tries vehemently to discourage.

There is no reason to specifically breed a mutt when you can go to a pound and adopt one for free. I have no problems with mutt's. They can be fantastic dogs, great pets, etc. But don't charge people for them. Don't make it a profit oriented business.
- The only time breeders should charge for dogs is to recoup their investment in generating healthy liters that further the breed standard.

Personally, I think it would be horrible if the President got a Labradoodle because it would further encourage unscrupulous Labradoodle breeders to continue to break the code of ethics for dog breeders and with the seal of approval from the President.

But also, if the Pres. does get a Portuguese Water Dog, then less than fantastic breeders may start generating those dogs for profit as well, as a result, diminishing the quality of the Portuguese Water Dog in the same manner that many popular dog breeds have been overbreed.

So in reality, it's a double edged sword. I think the promotion of the Labradoodle is harmful but I also think the promotion of a Portuguese Water Dog would also be harmful.

I do understand though that the President needs a hypoallergenic dog and "SOME" Labradoodles are hypoallergenic. And all PWD (except those with improper coats are also hypoallergenic.) So again, it's a double edged sword. For me it's win/win, lose/lose, with whichever he chooses.

Michelle · #24 02-25-2009, 01:45 PM

Looks like it's gonna be the Portuguese Water Dog:
http://www.people.com/people/article...261257,00.html

E61Silver · #25 04-12-2009, 01:03 PM

B-Line should be happy, they picked your dog

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