Toyota, WTF?

Wagner · #1 02-24-2010, 04:34 PM

Ah yes, I wouldn't go back in time 10 years and buy a Ford either...and I wouldn't buy a Toyota today..wonder which one is more of a concern? Not sure what your point is comparing now to a decade ago

And WTF are you talking about, I "would love to see Toyota bankrupt"? Make that up much? I never said anything like that and in fact that is entirely up to the consumer. What I find odd is the protection of foreign entities and the dismantling of domestic ones..but that is just me...as you can see, I don't own a Toyota so I don't think they really care about my opinion on their cars.

StanF18 · #2 02-25-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Wagner

Ah yes, I wouldn't go back in time 10 years and buy a Ford either...and I wouldn't buy a Toyota today..wonder which one is more of a concern? Not sure what your point is comparing now to a decade ago

My point is that the folks that died in Fords 10 years ago are still dead. So yes, context matters. Toyota has a serious issue on their hands and one can only hope they do a better job of "owning up" to their negligence than Ford execs.

And WTF are you talking about, I "would love to see Toyota bankrupt"? Make that up much? I never said anything like that and in fact that is entirely up to the consumer. What I find odd is the protection of foreign entities and the dismantling of domestic ones...
Dismantling of domestics? Nobody dismantled Ford. They're still alive and resilient despite all their setbacks. GM and Chrysler? They dismantled themselves by failing economically on multiple levels. My point is: Let the fittest survive. I don't care if it's foreign or domestic. In a free-market economy Toyota is entitled to a level playing field. If they can't fix this quickly enough, they may suffer the same fate as GM and Chrysler. But I would not bet against them.

Wagner · #3 02-26-2010, 06:44 AM

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Not sure what you mean by the ... guess you want me to reply to it, OK

You just said context counts, context is...I was talking about 2010 not 2000. And what I mean by 'dismantling' is this, the public had zero issues in the late 1990's with the media ripping apart domestic auto makers but to have congressional folks come out and say 'take it easy on Toyota'? Please.

I say this because I was in college during the Ford debacle and was doing speech debates on Ford/Firestone and the media impact on the product. Just pushing against the grain

IMO "we" seem to be far more favorable as a group when it is a foreign industry that comes under fire, and far harder on the USA version. This is a total side bar now, but just look at all the threads on this forum that attempt to blame E53 issues on being built in the USA

Again, not to wrestle the point but I see a bias, and that is where I was going in post #3.

And to the one other guy who keeps trying to insinuate that hearing on Toyota have something to do with ObamaMotors, ah, so is there ObamaBaseball and ObamaOil and ObamaBCS

This is the one instance where political ideals have very little to do with the topic.