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Old 06-12-2010, 08:41 AM
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I cycle, but at least am aware of traffic laws and the traffic around me... Lots of the trails I go to have signs posted saying bicycles yield to hikers and horseback riders, hikers yield to horseback riders and naturally the horse riders have right of way. Basically bikes are lowest on the totem poles and yield to all. The only time I get aggravated with cyclists on the road is when they are oblivious to traffic and don't follow traffic laws... like if they are on a main city artery, meander all over the lane unaware of traffic behind them and never dream of looking before crossing a intersecting street. They hinder traffic vs blend with it.

I think if you are going to be on a public roadway you should at least know the laws pertaining to riding on it.
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Old 06-12-2010, 10:20 AM
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Racing on public roads, while bicyclists are on the road.

Perhaps it was at a reasonable speed, and they weren't racing. Sure, that's it.
Hey, all I said was that people make videos of themselves driving every day. I think the people in the second video I posted are probably more guilty of speeding than racing, but that is just me. I didn't see any passing or anything.

As far as cyclists go, I think they are crazy for wanting share public roads with cars to begin with, but once again that is just me. I wouldn't really want to risk my life like that. Not with the way people drive or what are roads are like here anyway. Yes, cyclists have the right to be on them, but it isn't very safe, imo. I think people know this, because I don't see very many riders in my local area. There are some places out west that are known for these canyon runs and if I were riding a bike, I would be sure to stay clear of these roads. Sure, they have the right to ride on them, but they also have the right to be smeared by a car as well. Some roads are just not safe for cyclists, even if they have a right to be on them.
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Old 06-12-2010, 11:05 AM
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I don't think I would call that excessive tailgating though, definitely not enough to warrant that reaction. I counted about 2 seconds judging by the signs passed... Sure the guy was driving closer than normal, but he was out for a spirited drive. If there were a dozen cars on that stretch they would likely be at least that close to each other anyways.
I agree as well. He wasn't THAT close to the guy--he was just staying with him + they couldn't have been going more than 45 MPH through those turns. Maybe the dude forgot to take his PEDs that day ha.
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You can't judge society in general classes like all cyclists are jerks.
I apologize.

95% of bicyclists in Portland Maine and Upstate South Carolina are hypocritical jerks. I've never run on the west coast.

I give them plenty of yield while driving, even when they're riding where they should not (6 lane non-divided highway being one prime and frequent example) I would never ever run someone off the road.

Whats your opinion on two bikers? Something else that frequently happens is that two bicyclists on a narrow road will stay next to each other. If I'm running with someone, I'll get behind/in front of them, but consistently the bicyclists stay in formation, taking up the entire lane. Last time, I waited for one clear stretch and went around them, and could hear the profanities flying over my engine noise.
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That's when just tap the horn... something to make them aware I'm behind them so they can get over and let me pass safely. Now on occasion they just glance back over their shoulder and stay in the side by side formation without a care, that's when I would LOVE to have a train horn installed. But since I don't I have to wait for an opening to use that skinny pedal and go around them. (and I do floor it around for affect at that point)
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I apologize.

95% of bicyclists in Portland Maine and Upstate South Carolina are hypocritical jerks. I've never run on the west coast.

I give them plenty of yield while driving, even when they're riding where they should not (6 lane non-divided highway being one prime and frequent example) I would never ever run someone off the road.

Whats your opinion on two bikers? Something else that frequently happens is that two bicyclists on a narrow road will stay next to each other. If I'm running with someone, I'll get behind/in front of them, but consistently the bicyclists stay in formation, taking up the entire lane. Last time, I waited for one clear stretch and went around them, and could hear the profanities flying over my engine noise.
Thank you.

I have never ridden in Maine or SC, so perhaps they are more self-centred. Here on the west coast of BC, there are a lot of cyclists. I get along with most of them, but we have a group of bicycle couriers downtown who believe that they are pedestrians one minute, cars the next, and that no laws apply to them. I support the ticketing of cyclists who don't get it, because they selfishly impact motorists's opinions of all cyclists. We don't have mandatory bicycle or rider registration here, but we do have bicycle helmet laws, requirements for an audible warning device, traffic enforcement along bicycle routes, and so on.

I would never ride on a six lane highway. There are always alternatives, and that just doesn't sound safe. If I have to cross such a road, I will dismount and walk my bike across in the crosswalk. At that moment I am a pedestrian with luggage.

I have a regular riding partner (my wife). We sometimes ride two abreast. It depends on the situation and space around us. The laws differ everywhere; it is either illegal, legal, or legal only if you are not impeding traffic, depending on local laws. I go with the "only when safe, only when not impeding traffic" justification, but we post one rider watching behind for approaching traffic or other bikes.

I have noticed that drivers locally are getting better in the last few years. I regularly get cars waving me through stop signs when I am at the crest of a steep hill, just about over the top, and they have the right-of-way. I always acknowledge them with a wave and a mouthed 'thank you'.

Back to the video posted of the cars sprinting through a place called Stunt Canyon. I googled Stunt Canyon, and was surprised to see that the first link, with the most traffic of any, was a cycling "map your ride" site for that road. It seems that those roads are used regularly by road cyclists.
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that wasn't tailgating... if the dumbass in the 330i couldn't hang.. move over..
obviously.. getting out the car in the middle of the road is probably the dumbest thing the dude could do..
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Back to the video posted of the cars sprinting through a place called Stunt Canyon. I googled Stunt Canyon, and was surprised to see that the first link, with the most traffic of any, was a cycling "map your ride" site for that road. It seems that those roads are used regularly by road cyclists.
I just looked up Stunt Road and Calaveras Road on youtube and I can tell you I would not ride a bike on either. Tons of in-car videos of cars/motorcycles speeding through.
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calaveras, yes.. stunt rd.. horrible place for a ride...

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I just looked up Stunt Road and Calaveras Road on youtube and I can tell you I would not ride a bike on either. Tons of in-car videos of cars/motorcycles speeding through.
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There are a bunch of people with roll bar/in car mounted cameras driving around these days. I saw an e36 with one on the highway this week. It seems the Mazda driver's was on and rolling because he was probably going to run that road at a good clip. The video said he was going slow to allow any traffic ahead of him to clear. It really isn't all that unusual, imo. His reaction was calm, but I guess you never know what you would actually do until it happens.
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