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Old 01-15-2011, 12:48 PM
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If you want to talk about Vettes, I'll take a ZR1 over any BMW being made.
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Old 01-15-2011, 01:35 PM
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I'll take a GT40 over any auto ever. (minus the Elenor car in gone in 60 seconds)
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Old 01-15-2011, 01:42 PM
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I'll take a GT40 over any auto ever. (minus the Elenor car in gone in 60 seconds)
A GT40 like what ran in LeMans in the 60's, or the modern Ford GT?
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A GT40 like what ran in LeMans in the 60's, or the modern Ford GT?
Most def the new one. As cool as the org is..... I would guess that it is not street friendly. And I like A/C, and radio. lol.
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Old 01-15-2011, 10:21 PM
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This Mustang vs Corvette thing is hard because I've always liked Corvettes, and always thought Mustangs really lacked in the design dept. (especially the three previous designs)
But this new model looks great and has gotten better with every facelift.
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I dunno... A high-end Vette is always better statistically. But I like the looks of the mustang especially the performance models that have the bulky hood with vents. Those cars look like they want to get you, and eat you!

I might go with the mustang on looks alone.
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Old 01-18-2011, 08:36 AM
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Going back to the Mustang and M3, the thing that bothers me the most is the fun factor. The driver called the Mustang a beast and the M3 an understeerer. I prefer tail out fun. I do not want my BMW's to understeer because that is the the polar opposite of Freud am Fahren!

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Old 01-18-2011, 09:08 AM
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BMW has always designed an element of understeer into their cars though. I guess they want it to help keep the more money than brains drivers out of trouble because when you get understeer you simply back off the throttle and it corrects... with oversteer you actually have to know how to drive to keep from spinning out one way or the other. Most real drivers can make the BMWs drift when wanted anyways, proven by the old comparison video with the 4.8is pulling an awesome drift at the end of the video.
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Yup. Agreed. Anything RWD with enough power can drift. AND understeer is safer.

But it's that 90% driving, near the limits, that is the most exciting. If the back end is just stepping sideways a little, that is fun! and takes driver skill to keep it there.

The driver in the Mustang made it sound like it was the one doing this while the M3 plowed it front tires a little. I know which would put a bigger smile on my face. It's that razor edge balance and sudden fear of a spin, then skill to catch it before spinning that makes driving fun for me.
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I've been known to drift every car I've owned up to the E53... and I've been in a friends car when they try the same on the same on ramps etc. and ended up in the grass laughing at the camaro almost getting stuck off road when they couldn't pull it off. His problem was that when it started to kick out too far he just came off the throttle fully and kicked it violently the other direction. As dumb as we can be we aren't stupid because we only did these kind of shenanigans at like 3am with no other cars around and in areas with nothing hard to hit. Nothing to get hurt but ones pride!
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Yup. Agreed. Anything RWD with enough power can drift. AND understeer is safer.

But it's that 90% driving, near the limits, that is the most exciting. If the back end is just stepping sideways a little, that is fun! and takes driver skill to keep it there.

The driver in the Mustang made it sound like it was the one doing this while the M3 plowed it front tires a little. I know which would put a bigger smile on my face. It's that razor edge balance and sudden fear of a spin, then skill to catch it before spinning that makes driving fun for me.
I guess you can always ditch the staggered setup that comes standard and/or turn off DSC.
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