F#CK the *cure*...Find the CAUSE

JCL · #1 11-14-2012, 08:26 PM

Agenda 21: An initiative to recognize the impacts we as humanity have on the environment, and to work towards more sustainable development.

Yes, I consider polluting less to be a motherhood issue. Not sure how it can be seen otherwise.

Unless you are referring to the Agenda 21 world control hoax, as opposed to the Agenda 21 action plan from 1992. The one that says we should probably pollute less.

tynashracing · #2 11-14-2012, 11:57 PM

http://www.didyouknowonline.com/file...RESOLUTION.pdf

http://www.didyouknowonline.com/file...0Responses.pdf

JCL · #3 11-15-2012, 01:09 AM

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If you want to understand just how extreme and conspiratorial many in the mainstream Republican Party have become, look no further...

Full article here:

Republican Party Officially Embraces 'Garbage' Agenda 21 Conspiracy Theories As Its National Platform | ThinkProgress

This isn't actually a political post. We have a separate forum for that, appropriately titled Politics. The attached article isn't about the Republican platform, but rather about how ideas like Agenda 21 being a global conspiracy are entering mainstream organizations like the Republican Party.

JCL · #4 11-15-2012, 01:17 AM

Just wondering here.

If one isn't for sustainability, does that imply that one is for its opposite, namely unsustainability? How long can that last?

If one isn't for smart growth, does one actually want the opposite? Seriously?

tynashracing · #5 11-15-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JCL

Just wondering here.

If one isn't for sustainability, does that imply that one is for its opposite, namely unsustainability? How long can that last?

If one isn't for smart growth, does one actually want the opposite? Seriously?

This sums up your sustainability issue from someone that lives in America:

The diabolical, green sustainability scam

Taken from the above link...

"In a nutshell, the purposes of the "sustainable development" agenda are to limit people's ability to use their own land as they see fit, to severely curtail people's energy consumption, and to cram people into metropolitan centers (stack 'em and pack 'em) while prohibiting development outside of "approved" land areas, what these "smart growth" Einsteins call "suburban sprawl," as if land development is a bad thing. The agenda aims to corral people into such close quarters that they will be encouraged to walk everywhere they go instead of drive those evil cars.

We see the rotten fruit of this movement all around us, from the dangerous, radio frequency-emitting "smart meters," to low-volume flush toilets, to so-called "energy efficient" appliances (which only means they don't work nearly as well as they used to), to the hideously ugly, tiny cars rolling around on the streets. Green building codes are another sign, and believe it or not, the explosion of bike and walking paths all over the place is yet another sign of the movement.

When you hear terms like "smart growth," "comprehensive planning," "sustainable communities" and "visioning," understand that these are communist code terms that are about nothing more than government control of land use, robbing us of our individual rights and freedoms, and redistributing our wealth to the federal government and to "developing" nations.

In Henry Lamb's Freedom 21 publication, Mr. Lamb explains,

"The goals of sustainable development amount to a complete transformation of American society. Sustainable development embraces education, economics, and social justice, as well as environmental issues. Once the new collaborative decision process has been established, it can be used to develop policy in all these issue areas. Whenever public policy is developed by government-funded advocacy groups, administrators, or bureaucrats, there can be no accountability to the people. Private property rights are eroded and individual freedom evaporates.

Advocates of government control of land use have exerted their influence since long before the term 'sustainable development' was first uttered. The 1976 U.N. Conference on Human Settlements uses the raw language: 'Government control of land use is therefore indispensable.' By 1992, the advocates of government control had learned that words matter, and rather than use words such as 'government control of land use...' they coined terms such as sustainable development, smart growth, and sustainable communities.

It matters not what euphemism is used to shield the reality of government control. Sustainable development, smart growth, and sustainable communities all describe a government-controlled society. Every time a public policy requires a private citizen to ask permission from government, another expression of freedom is destroyed."

This is a broad rundown of the complex and detailed issue of the environmental whacko, "sustainable development" agenda, and it is important that we make an effort to become informed by studying the extensive amount of materials available on the Internet and elsewhere. The good news is that more and more people are becoming aware of this sinister movement and are working tirelessly to inform leaders at the local, state and federal levels. Tea Party groups are doing a good job of this, including our own local South Mississippi Tea Party, which has a special section on its website for Agenda 21 information and has hosted Agenda 21 educational events.

As with most issues in life, ignorance is our greatest liability. An uninformed citizenry is an enslaved citizenry. We must embrace the knowledge we need to combat these communistic efforts to rob our freedoms. The sustainable movement has infested the entire nation, and beating it back will take a massive effort. There is a ton of money and power involved in pushing this radical agenda, and when community leaders cannot resist the handout of federal taxpayer money grants, they place their whole area under the iron thumb of the tyrannical "green" movement.

Politicians on both sides of the political spectrum have embraced this movement. In the story with which I opened this broadcast, one of our Republican Senators, Roger Wicker, was the one who presented the "green" award to the Ocean Springs housing development. He should know better, but apparently he does not.

A good place to start reversing this communist "sustainable" movement is in our local city councils and planning commissions. Many of these elected and appointed officials are ignorant of what these issues mean, and they need to be taught. As with other freedom-robbing initiatives of the communist Left, if we do nothing it will continue to grow ever more powerful.

I will close with another quote from Mr. Lamb's Freedom 21 report,

"The current attack on America's freedom is not with bombs and bullets from foreign tyrants. It is from an internal enemy of freedom that is just as vicious and much more sinister. America is a nation created expressly to defend and protect the freedom of its citizens. Any system of government that replaces that freedom with government control is an enemy.

Sustainable development, as defined in Agenda 21 and the documents published by the President's Council on Sustainable Development, cannot exist without government management and control. To the extent that local, state, and federal government yields to the demands of sustainable development, freedom is diminished. To the extent that local, state, and federal government rejects the principles of sustainable development, freedom is advanced.

The only power on earth sufficient to constrain a government out of control is the determination of an informed, involved, and inspired electorate, exercised at the ballot box."

© Gina Miller"

JCL · #6 11-15-2012, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tynashracing

This sums up your sustainability issue from someone that lives in America

That is the control hoax and conspiracy theory that I mentioned above. Yes, I've heard of it. What utter nonsense. It says a lot about the writer.

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Originally Posted by tynashracing requoting Gina Miller

As with most issues in life, ignorance is our greatest liability

If ignorance is a liability, then Ms. Miller is seriously overdrawn.

We have a whole new batch of conspiracies to debate now, as introduced in the post above:

* Land use planning by municipalities is a Communist (UN) plot
* Smart meters kill us with their EMF
* Low volume flush toilets are part of the plot
* Energy efficient appliances are part of the plot
* Tiny cars are being forced on us by the UN. And they are ugly, besides.
* Building codes that promote energy efficiency are a way of controlling us
* Bike paths and walking paths are a Communist (UN) plot
* It is all a way of redistributing wealth
* Education, economics, and social justice are secret weapons of the Communist UN. They are everywhere. Trust no-one.
* The Tea Party is our saviour
* Green is the new Red (Menace)

This should keep us going for awhile. Pick your favourite to debate. And we got a whole cut-and-paste poste without a single mention of vaccinations or fluoride!

For any discussion on whether the Republican Party adopting some of the above in their 2012 platform impacted the results in the recent US election, recommend we move it over to the Politics forum. General conspiracy and control discussions could perhaps carry on here. I think that Communist plots in general are probably fair topic for the conspiracy discussion, while the benefits (if any) of Communism should similarly be in the Politics forum. There are all just tongue in cheek suggestions. I am having trouble taking some of it seriously.