4 rings love - Page 2

PersonaNonGrata · #1 12-06-2012, 05:25 AM

Being around those cars it's hard not to be impressed. I didn't get any interior shots but the interiors' details and fit and finish are so nice. I know they are the apex cars of the marque so the details are sometimes unique but still, it's so wonderful being in the S8 or S6 with that gorgeous quilted leather and the carbon fiber trim and everything is so intoxicating.

As far as the reliability and servicing issues, I think all cars have their issues and we all know BMW has it's fair share of problems so I would not be put off by reliability concerns. I think that as all of these high line cars get more complex, there will be more niggling issues. As I sat in the S6 with Audi Connect and all the bells and whistles I did think "I wouldn't want to own this after warranty" but that is true of BMW, MB, whatever.

As an interesting coincidence, I just spent the last couple of hours poring over the two Audis in my driveway and talking Audis in general with an Audi certifies master tech who was over. Yes, we talked about all sorts of problems including a 2013 with very low miles that basically blew an engine due to poor quality out of the factory. (That car got a new engine as the fix.) Is it more interesting to talk about the horror stories or the about all the cars that work perfectly fine? Of course, just as here, the problems are what makes for discussions. Every manufacturer has lemons and issues. You just have to hope you aren't the poor schlub that has to drink the lemonade.

FSETH · #2 12-06-2012, 09:58 AM

Carbon problems in BMW's is much, much less common than Audi. I have a feeling E61Silver puttered his car around everwhere he went or it was simply a fluke.

E61Silver · #3 12-06-2012, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by FSETH

Carbon problems in BMW's is much, much less common than Audi. I have a feeling E61Silver puttered his car around everwhere he went or it was simply a fluke.

I did a monthly trip to Maryland, 500 miles round trip, at well over the speed limit. I also do most of my mileage on the Highway so I don't think that is the issue.

I also don't think it is a fluke if you read other BMW boards they talk about the problem. The fact that it is a turbo seems to be a big factor. The fuel injection system was a big problem and BMW changing my fuel pump twice and injectors, I also recently had a problem with the value timing. The problems with the fuel injection system were so bad that BMW had a formal recall and extend the coverage on that system to 100,000 miles.

The car at 50,000 now runs better than new and shows no signs of age/wear, I have CPO coverage for another 4 years and love the car but it has required lots of repair.

FSETH · #4 12-06-2012, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by E61Silver

I did a monthly trip to Maryland, 500 miles round trip, at well over the speed limit. I also do most of my mileage on the Highway so I don't think that is the issue.

I also don't think it is a fluke if you read other BMW boards they talk about the problem. The fact that it is a turbo seems to be a big factor. The fuel injection system was a big problem and BMW change my fuel pump twice and injectors, I also recently had a problem with the value timing. The problems with the fuel injection system were so bad that BMW had a formal recall and extend the coverage on that system to 100,000 miles.

The car at 50,000 now runs better than new and shows no signs of age/wear, I have CPO coverage for another 4 years and love the car but it has required lots of repair.

Not sure. I really haven't read of too many carbon issues in modern BMW engines. Not nearly as many as Audi.

Also, cruising on the highway at lower RPM is not the same a revving the engine out, which helps clear out carbon. Speed doesn't matter. High RPM's do.

SANguru · #5 12-07-2012, 12:11 AM

over the speed limit lugging in 6 gear doesn't mean you are working out the engine.. you have to run it really hot.. It has nothing to do with the turbos really...

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Originally Posted by E61Silver

I did a monthly trip to Maryland, 500 miles round trip, at well over the speed limit. I also do most of my mileage on the Highway so I don't think that is the issue.

I also don't think it is a fluke if you read other BMW boards they talk about the problem. The fact that it is a turbo seems to be a big factor. The fuel injection system was a big problem and BMW changing my fuel pump twice and injectors, I also recently had a problem with the value timing. The problems with the fuel injection system were so bad that BMW had a formal recall and extend the coverage on that system to 100,000 miles.

The car at 50,000 now runs better than new and shows no signs of age/wear, I have CPO coverage for another 4 years and love the car but it has required lots of repair.

AzNMpower32 · #6 12-06-2012, 07:05 PM

Audi makes some excellent vehicles. I haven't driven most of them but the A3 is a favourite of mine, although the current outgoing one is dated.

I don't understand the whole carbon build up thing. Drive the cars like they're meant to be driven, all should be well. There's a line between abuse and use, and I think "use" is good for a car. Given my rural location, my X3 sees typical European hwy speeds (120-160km/h @ 2750-4750rpm) for extended periods every week and usually when I need to overtake a vehicle on a backroad, it's redline in a couple gears with some frequency.

E61Silver · #7 12-08-2012, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AzNMpower32

Audi makes some excellent vehicles. I haven't driven most of them but the A3 is a favourite of mine, although the current outgoing one is dated.

I don't understand the whole carbon build up thing. Drive the cars like they're meant to be driven, all should be well. There's a line between abuse and use, and I think "use" is good for a car. Given my rural location, my X3 sees typical European hwy speeds (120-160km/h @ 2750-4750rpm) for extended periods every week and usually when I need to overtake a vehicle on a backroad, it's redline in a couple gears with some frequency.

As stated most of driving is on the highway yes at low rpm. The only time I push the car is when I pass a jerk doing 55 in the fast lane. So I guess you and number of others are right that I don't normally rev the car hard. I Saw a post on another forum suggesting that you down shift the car to 4th and drive it at higher rpm once a month fo 30 minutes to help prevent the problem. The post also said quick bursts of rpm do little to help the issue.

With regard to your x3 if I remember right it has a small engine so I guess you have to push it hard to pass.

jgold47 · #8 12-08-2012, 10:38 AM

you mean volkswagen right?

Not audi

There hasnt been a real audi in 30 years.

sharp looking cars, but like everything in the VAG, they look and feel great for about a year, maybe two, then start wearing like shit. I've been in 2 year old A8's that just look worn out.

PersonaNonGrata · #9 12-09-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jgold47

you mean volkswagen right?

Not audi

There hasnt been a real audi in 30 years.

sharp looking cars, but like everything in the VAG, they look and feel great for about a year, maybe two, then start wearing like shit. I've been in 2 year old A8's that just look worn out.

Care to elaborate?

jgold47 · #10 12-09-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PersonaNonGrata

Care to elaborate?

I was really making a wonderful non-factual sweeping statement. In my mind audi stopped be relevant in the mid 80's. the 80/90 was a glorified jetta/passat, with the a4/6 not being much different. The only thing exciting that came out of their camp was the TT and some high end s/RS variants. Now a-days, their styling is drool worthy, but I cant get over the VW crap swimming in the DNA. my issue is more with VW than with Audi. Sharp lookers, just not for me.