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Old 01-22-2013, 03:50 PM
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Start with helping mentally ill people. Look up how many shooters are on Prozac in American history....

hey!!! welcome to the party!!! it was getting lonely here for a moment between three of us...

mentally ill... but how do you define mentally ill?

there were times in the not long ago history of this country when alternative sexual orientation was considered to be a mental illness... even criminal behaviour... not anymore (the laws are still in the books, but not enforced). Are we going to trust the government to tell us who is sane?

any normal person can snap on a moment's notice... and do crazy things...
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this is an interpretation of the amendment, not the amendment itself... it stands as a law of the land but without dissent that decision would not have come to life...

say, you have a nice, shiny pair of pants... as you wear it, it develops a hole... you patch it up... keep on wearing it... another hole... patch it up again... and again... at the end, you have something that looks like it used to be a piece of clothing, but under so many patches it is hard to determine what was the original design... it is not the 2nd amendment that guarantees us the right to bear arms but the DC vs. Heller that provides such a guarantee... our forefathers are being abandoned... that is sad...

the comparasions are not doing justice, i don't like the patches, the barnicles on a hull of the ship - but if the original text is outdated that we needed a court decision, than maybe we should pass a new amendment? and vote on it...

the laws have been patched so many times, that the original idea is long gone... since we are working off the interpretations of the original amendment and not the amendment itself, why do we keep referring back to it as it was an original?
Tx,
There's no hope for you. Your a Socialist
and thats ok. We don't blame you.

You like the Marxist view on life. We don't
hate you. You are a hack as far as history
is concerned, but you are fun to watch.
However, you have no cogent argument
to the Second Amendment for your side.

No, you can't have our guns.
Thx for playing our game.
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:01 PM
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i don't want your guns... as a matter of fact, keep them... 2nd amendment has nothing to do with it anymore, but it is irrelevant...

what i would like to see, that the guns would be like vehicles, you can have them, they would have titles, you can buy, sell, trade, junk them... insure them.. have a license to own them... to get the license, you would go and take the classes on how to handle the guns... I have no beef with the guns, guns are inanimated objects... as they say, guns don't kill people... but, by the same token, screwdrivers do not put screws in or out... guns are tools and since they are dangerous tools, should be regulated... you would not allow an untrained person handle a power tool (well, maybe for fun, you would!!! lol)... why an untrained person can have a device that is lethal by design?

and since we are on cool terms with the State, and need the guns to protect ourselves from criminals, we might as well submit to that licensing and registration... and then, even carry in public, a la Texas (not sure if they carry pieces in public, I am just saying it).

But, most gun owners will not go for this registration - why not? we already established that the militia and free state have nothing to do with the right to bear arms as per DC vs. Heller..
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Tx,
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I never understood this charge.

Don't we all (or most of us) have mandatory auto insurance? A library card? Ever use the post office? Don't those things make one a socialist? If so, come on in, the water's fine.
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No, you can't have our guns.
A serious question. Why is it all or nothing in these discussions?

Australia bought back 20% of the guns in circulation, and reduced gun violence. Links posted previously.

I can't ever imagine Americans turning in all their guns. Ever. But there are something like 283 million guns in circulation. Is everybody safer than if there were only 200 million?

I am no expert on the constitution, but I thought the original amendment said something about "well regulated" when referencing that famous militia. And DC vs Heller seems to uphold the concept of "prohibitions and restrictions". So why the absolute opposition to any form of controls?

When we finally started the process of nuclear disarmament, it was on the principle that fewer nukes would make for a safer world. Doesn't the same principle, at the highest level, apply to gun controls?

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A serious question. Why is it all or nothing in these discussions?

Australia bought back 20% of the guns in circulation, and reduced gun violence. Links posted previously.

I can't ever imagine Americans turning in all their guns. Ever. But there are something like 283 million guns in circulation. Is everybody safer than if there were only 200 million?

I am no expert on the constitution, but I thought the original amendment said something about "well regulated" when referencing that famous militia. And DC vs Heller seems to uphold the concept of "prohibitions and restrictions". So why the absolute opposition to any form of controls?

When we finally started the process of nuclear disarmament, it was on the principle that fewer nukes would make for a safer world. Doesn't the same principle, at the highest level, apply to gun controls?

Just asking.
If you really want an example, read this. This is one example
of Communist gun control and the end results.

Communist Gun Control
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I never understood this charge.

Don't we all (or most of us) have mandatory auto insurance? A library card? Ever use the post office? Don't those things make one a socialist? If so, come on in, the water's fine.
Auto insurance is state controlled, not federally.
Driving is a privilage not a right. You don't have
to drive if you don't want to. Library card is
VOLUNTARY, not forced on you by a government.

Socialism, Communism, gives you no choices.
Do you see a trend here? Individual Choice!

Guns are a guaranteed right by the Constitution.
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Auto insurance is state controlled, not federally.
Driving is a privilage not a right. You don't have
to drive if you don't want to. Library card is
VOLUNTARY, not forced on you by a government.

Socialism, Communism, gives you no choices.
Do you see a trend here? Individual Choice!
I think you are splitting hairs. True, I don't have to drive, but I have to pay for the roads. I don't have to use the library, but I have to pay for it. No choice. Post office, the same. Military defence. Fire departments. Police departments. Damn socialism!
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If you really want an example, read this. This is one example
of Communist gun control and the end results.

Communist Gun Control
Thanks for that.

I guess I have trouble seeing Afghanistan in 1979, with no defence against an invading Soviet army, as being equivalent to the USA in 2013. You have an army. And no Soviet threat on the border. But on top of that, the Afghans didn't have guns according to the link, they made them once they were invaded. So having guns wasn't the deciding factor, knowing how to use them was.

But back to the question. Why is it all or nothing? The link doesn't provide a reason for gun controls turning into a program of 100% confiscation. It just says that confiscating all guns is a bad idea. OK, agreed. But just who proposing gun controls is proposing confiscation of all guns?
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The idea of the entire article
is to show that without weapons
the people are only subjects to their
dictitorial governments. Whether
guns were there before or after the
tyranny, the people can become free
with weapons. With no weapons,
no chance.

Can you see that
concept?

Ok. Now we have weapons, take
them away, where are we? No
better off than any other country
run by subjective dictators who
have weapons to point at us,
while we have sticks.
To you this is "splitting hairs".
To us and many other oppressed
peoples, this is loss of freedom.

Scoff if you will, this is the foundation
of the US. Why go on repeating this
circle over and over? Through history
this merry-go-round has continued.
Oppress, revolt, oppress.

We keep our weapons to remind the
government who is in charge. The
US government works for the people.
The people are in control. Most are
too asleep to see it, but that is the
fact.

I know these words are wasted,
but to many of us without freedom,
there is no point in being here. We won't
give our rights away at a whim
because those rights are trivial
to so many others blinded by their
currnent beliefs and that they want
to force those beliefs on us.
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