Gun Control What's your take???

TerminatorX5 · #1 01-02-2013, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tynashracing

Well, he didn't shoot me or anyone else at the mall that day!

Seriously, it crossed my mind. I thought, if this guy pulls his gun to rob me or a store in the mall...is there anything I can do? While I did feel a little vulnerable, I trusted that when someone holsters a gun for all to see...they're probably not the criminal type. I would think that those guys hide their gun(s) until they reach their prey.

hopefully you realize that every person has THAT "button" that will push that person overboard... for some, it is a baby crying non-stop on the bus while you are travelling from Miami to NYC... for others, it is the dumb boss that is asking impossible, and at the end promotes a total ass-kisser, and bypasses you... for the others, it is that jerk in that expensive BMW (i had to bring BMW into the picture!!) who thinks he is the king of the road, and almost clipped you...

So, some people are reaching for the tire iron, or grab a suitcase and throw it or... or, they reach for something that is more convenient and scary...
As long as you know, that guy on the escalator was at the end of his rope, and all he needed just that last straw... Don't you watch the news, when on Black Friday people brandish their guns? The pilots undergoing psycho evaluations every so often.. the LE people are taking special tests.... doctors have gazillion tests... people who are capable of taking other people's lives in their daily routine undergo a lot of evaluations... a regular Joe-Shmoe might be seeing shrink but chances are - not...

If there are NO weapons in amateurs' hands, there are less chances of making a mistake - bad enough, we have just about every Joe-schmoe driving a car without knowing what the hell they are doing... and part of the point is - why does my mother need a gun? she is NOT trained how to handle it, she is NOT part of the State sponsored and well regulated militia, and probably poses more threat to society with a tool in her hands that she can't use (if she had a power drill in her hands, I'd be worried almost as much!!!). that is the point - too many guns in the hands of the GOOD people that have no business of having those guns...

tynashracing · #2 01-02-2013, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TerminatorX5

hopefully you realize that every person has THAT "button" that will push that person overboard... for some, it is a baby crying non-stop on the bus while you are travelling from Miami to NYC... for others, it is the dumb boss that is asking impossible, and at the end promotes a total ass-kisser, and bypasses you... for the others, it is that jerk in that expensive BMW (i had to bring BMW into the picture!!) who thinks he is the king of the road, and almost clipped you...

So, some people are reaching for the tire iron, or grab a suitcase and throw it or... or, they reach for something that is more convenient and scary...
As long as you know, that guy on the escalator was at the end of his rope, and all he needed just that last straw... Don't you watch the news, when on Black Friday people brandish their guns? The pilots undergoing psycho evaluations every so often.. the LE people are taking special tests.... doctors have gazillion tests... people who are capable of taking other people's lives in their daily routine undergo a lot of evaluations... a regular Joe-Shmoe might be seeing shrink but chances are - not...

If there are NO weapons in amateurs' hands, there are less chances of making a mistake - bad enough, we have just about every Joe-schmoe driving a car without knowing what the hell they are doing... and part of the point is - why does my mother need a gun? she is NOT trained how to handle it, she is NOT part of the State sponsored and well regulated militia, and probably poses more threat to society with a tool in her hands that she can't use (if she had a power drill in her hands, I'd be worried almost as much!!!). that is the point - too many guns in the hands of the GOOD people that have no business of having those guns...

All very good points Terminator. I do agree that PROPER training is important for everyone's safety. Don't restrict my potential for arming because your mom might pose more of a risk to herself or others while handling a firearm.

Did you see that video in one of the links I provided about the guns being confiscated in N.O. during Katrina? That woman was quite elderly...but, I'd trust her with a firearm. Notice how she said she was handling the gun when the goons tackled her to disarm her?
This kind of reminds me of people that have a license to drive a vehicle...when they probably really shouldn't. Life just can't be made risk less...well, I suppose you could lock yourself in a prison cell to avoid...life in this world.

You know, I've said for most of my life that I'd probably be a victim of gun violence...because I'm so adamant about protecting our rights as Americans. Our founding fathers thought it was our responsibility to keep things in check. I didn't even own a gun until about 3 years ago...but, have always tried to speak up for those who do carry.
I can see the need for more widespread gun ownership in America if the number of LEO's are let go. I hope it doesn't happen. I hope this country doesn't hit as low as some predict. If it does, it's going to be ugly and I will do everything I can to protect my loved ones.

TerminatorX5 · #3 01-03-2013, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by tynashracing

All very good points Terminator. I do agree that PROPER training is important for everyone's safety. Don't restrict my potential for arming because your mom might pose more of a risk to herself or others while handling a firearm.

Did you see that video in one of the links I provided about the guns being confiscated in N.O. during Katrina? That woman was quite elderly...but, I'd trust her with a firearm. Notice how she said she was handling the gun when the goons tackled her to disarm her?
This kind of reminds me of people that have a license to drive a vehicle...when they probably really shouldn't. Life just can't be made risk less...well, I suppose you could lock yourself in a prison cell to avoid...life in this world.

You know, I've said for most of my life that I'd probably be a victim of gun violence...because I'm so adamant about protecting our rights as Americans. Our founding fathers thought it was our responsibility to keep things in check. I didn't even own a gun until about 3 years ago...but, have always tried to speak up for those who do carry.
I can see the need for more widespread gun ownership in America if the number of LEO's are let go. I hope it doesn't happen. I hope this country doesn't hit as low as some predict. If it does, it's going to be ugly and I will do everything I can to protect my loved ones.

upholding one constitutional right (bear arms in well regulated State militia) and ignoring the other constituational right (right to a FAIR TRIAL) - does not sit with me too well... I already made my point that in CIVILIZED, LAW-ABIDING society, there is NO ROOM for vigilantes.

either the law trumps everything, or everything trumps the law...

tynashracing · #4 01-03-2013, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TerminatorX5

upholding one constitutional right (bear arms in well regulated State militia) and ignoring the other constituational right (right to a FAIR TRIAL) - does not sit with me too well... I already made my point that in CIVILIZED, LAW-ABIDING society, there is NO ROOM for vigilantes.

either the law trumps everything, or everything trumps the law...

Who said anything about vigilantes? Who said anything about not preserving the right to a fair trial?

TerminatorX5 · #5 01-03-2013, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by tynashracing

Who said anything about vigilantes? Who said anything about not preserving the right to a fair trial?

once you shoot a robber or a mugger - you deny him a right to a fair trial... your point is that he has a gun and is threatening your life.. the gun control point is, that there should be NO guns in people's hands... hunting gear excluded... there are many countries where that is the law of the land... of course, it is not American way... but our way has brought us to too many avoidable tragedies... supposedly there are 300 million firearms in the hands of private individuals in the US. I am sure there are 3 billion knives inthe circulation... people kill other people with knives too - but how many people can one kill with a knife and how many he can kill with a semi-auto weapon....

by the same argument, we should be able to buy bazookas - why not?... it can be born on a person...

while i am personally for the far extreme, i am totally ok with banning the MAN-HUNTING weapons, and i am ok to let people keep their pistols, revolvers, whatnot... I am for a compromise, i don't think going too far in any direction is good...

And those who keep it must take the "drivers" test, to get a license to have the weapon - at least they should be able to load/unload the weapon, and shoot in the direction of a target...