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Old 10-02-2013, 10:46 AM
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Bikers/Range Rover Chase

If you haven't seen this yet--pretty messed up.

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I hate to sound heartless And cold but sometimes when you look for trouble it certainly does find you. These bikers and the way they recklessly ride and disregard all laws is commonplace here in New York. Many of the bikes had removed their license plates for this ride.

I would have done the same thing as the RR driver. He did stop, was surrounded by angry riders who slashed his tires and began hitting his car with helmets. His only logical thought is that he, and maybe his wife and child will be next.

I don't know much about the sport bike scene, but I am hoping that whoever is big in this scene, such as whoever is the equivalent to Rob Dyrdek of the skateboard scene, will step up and try to corral this crap. Put the word out that this type of stuff puts a horrible stain on their scene. It's a shame to say but each time I pass a street bike on the road I can't help but equate whoever his riding, to these thugs who pleat the range rover driver up.

I do know that several of the riders have been arrested and the range rover driver has not ( and IMO opinion ) and should not be charged.
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Old 10-02-2013, 01:40 PM
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The sportbike scene used to be a crowd of true riders who loved to lean and really tried to excel their skills of riding, ever since the "Ruff Ryders" scene got back in the mid 90's its been downhill from there, any wannabe gangster or thug with a couple grand in his pocket can buy a 10 year old 600 and do as many wheelies as they want and got 150 mph on the highway. Notice the whole crowd, terrible riding position, straight arming the bars, etc.

Groups like that are more for the look and the scene than the true passion of riding, sorry to be blunt and honest but that's how I feel. Any asshole can peg his right wrist and tuck in on the highway, probably wouldn't last one lap on the track.

I feel bad for the Range Rover guy that he got beat up but at the same token did he provoke in any way? I can't tell from the video. Only thing I can see in the video is it looks like the whole group surrounded the RR, then one of the guys cut in front of it. IF YOU DO SOMETHING STUPID LIKE THAT AND DON'T EXPECT YOUR BIKE TO GET HIT YOU ARE AN IDIOT. Gosh, and here I am thinking to myself "if someone bumped me on my bike with their car, I'd be thanking God himself that I didn't get tossed off, wrecked, or injured". A tap from a car is nothing, considering the alternative (smacked and dead)

I've been a rider for 5 years now and hope to be for my whole life, and to the poster above, yes someone in the "scene" (e.g. Jason Britton or some of the other ICON guys) need to make a statement and let people know that shit like this is not cool.
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We'll said sir.

Please don't take any offense to my comments, as I can tell you are a responsible rider who has true passion for the craft. I know it is wrong to paint all riders with the same brush, and I feel for you that these thugs give riders like yourself a bad name.

And yes, Jason Britton would be a great spokesman to get a message out. And from what Ive heard, I don't know if the rover driver provoked anything, but the word here in NYC is that this bike crew were attempting to shut down the entire roadway. There were bikes that were actually even blocking off entrance ramps to prevent other traffic from entering the roadway. I think that these thugs were trying to get the Rover to slow down and exit the highway. If the driver did anything to provoke a group of over 100 riders, then that would be pretty ballsy. Doesn't sound like something a young, probably wealthy, techie, driving with his young family on a Sunday afternoon would do. But who knows? Regardless, the biker who cuts him off and then brake checks the range rover is inexcusable.
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:20 PM
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Those bikers are really lucky they didn't meet the barrel of a .45 caliber when they surrounded the RR and decided to become vigilantes while breaching windows to access the driver. That's exactly what they would have met if that happened to me. Plus the bullets into their skulls would have been more than justified under the law.
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A crowd of thugs...they just happened to be 'riding scoots', of which I have experienced the quick to rise boil, and thug mentality. Not much different than a crowd of thugs on the street, walking.

The bikes simply give quick pursuit, chase and surround...

When the one idiot gets hit/run over, the rest of the crowd pursues and defends. Pack mentality; on foot or on sleds, imo.

None of us can know how it all went down or what the driver of the car felt in terms of fear and defending his Fam.

The cycle group was lucky that Dad or Mom were not packing.

The idea that some 'cycle hero' doing positive PSA commercials would have any effect on thugs like that is wildly optimistic at best, to dreaming, imo.

Riding for 50+ years, in several kinds of 'groups'; I have seen and smelled the fear when some in a group became aggressive and retaliatory. Zero justification for a gang/group assault. Hope the driver recovers.
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an individual person is kind, caring and smart... when you get couple dozen of kind, caring and smart individuals, somehow you end up up with vicious, careless and stupid mob...
who knows what can pacify a crowd, a figure of authority or a bullet...

my grandmother (a christian) faced an angry mob (Muslims) who wanted to kill her because her last name was similar to a known writer who denounced that particular muslim population... The only thing that diverted the mob away from my grandmother, was a neighbor lady who swore on a Quran that my grandmother was a Jew... Of course, Quran is authority... would some guy be able to divert the bike mob? i have no idea...

since this entire matter is in the court of public opinion, i can only base my personal opinion on the video and the stereotypes...

and any of us can end up in a similar situation, that is scary... seems like the guy took his family for a Sunday drive, when the bikers decided to do a street racing, or some other un-sanctioned street activities, thus, started to block off the public roadways... the guy hits a biker who throws his bike on the car's bumper, the rest of the guys become agitated... the driver is scared, and at one moment he launches to get away from the imminent danger... as he is taking off, he runs over some stupid f*ck who gets in the front of a 2-ton (or is it 3-ton?) SUV. Now, the guy who is ran over, is separated from the vicious and stupid mob, and he becomes a caring and gentle guy again... and we hear that he did not deserve it, blah-blah-blah...

just think of it - did the father of the family leave the house in the morning so he could run over the biker? or, did the biker leave his house so he could engage in some questionable activities, like riding on illegally blocked off street?

I can't picture myself in the biker's shoes (not because i do not ride, but because i try to stay on the good side of the law) but i can easily picture myself behind the wheel of that SUV... And besides my training, that tells me to do exactly what the guy did (plus, lock the doors), i would have done the same even without the training...
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I hate to sound heartless And cold but sometimes when you look for trouble it certainly does find you. These bikers and the way they recklessly ride and disregard all laws is commonplace here in New York. Many of the bikes had removed their license plates for this ride.

I would have done the same thing as the RR driver. He did stop, was surrounded by angry riders who slashed his tires and began hitting his car with helmets. His only logical thought is that he, and maybe his wife and child will be next.

I don't know much about the sport bike scene, but I am hoping that whoever is big in this scene, such as whoever is the equivalent to Rob Dyrdek of the skateboard scene, will step up and try to corral this crap. Put the word out that this type of stuff puts a horrible stain on their scene. It's a shame to say but each time I pass a street bike on the road I can't help but equate whoever his riding, to these thugs who pleat the range rover driver up.

I do know that several of the riders have been arrested and the range rover driver has not ( and IMO opinion ) and should not be charged.
I've watched the video several times and it looks without a doubt that the biker cut in front of him and slammed on his brakes. I'm glad NY is prosecuting those involved and sending a clear message
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try to mess with this one with a helmet!!!

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As many others have, I also have viewed this horrifically captivating video filmed by one of the bikers of the events this past weekend on Riverside Drive on Manhattan's Upper West Side. While the video reveals much of what happened, we all here can only speculate as to the reasons for various actions, including:

1. What was the intent of all of these bikers? Apparently, with many of them having removed their license plates to prevent easy identification, they must have had some premeditated intent to do something unlawful, such as exceeding the posted speed limit. Possibly more than that....?

2. Why was the Range Rover the only vehicle in view, both immediately as well as for 1,000 ft ahead, other than the multiple motorcycles?

3. Why did the wife of the driver not call 911 from a cell phone from within their vehicle to notify police of the current harassment?

4. When observing the many motorcyclists appearing in his rear view mirror, why did the Driver of the Range Rover, Mr. Alexian Lien, not just pull over to the far left lane, slow down and let them all pass?

5. Why did he exit the highway? With 20/20 hindsight, he, his wife and child may have been safer continuing driving up the Henry Hudson Parkway. Once he and the cyclists reached the toll booth the attendants would see what was going on and called police.

We may never know the answer to these questions, but then again, if any of these bikers are arrested, charged with crimes and put on trial, maybe we will learn more.

The scary scenes in this video reminded me of the classic motorcycle vs. car scene in the Mad Max movie. As is now being discussed in some online blogs, maybe we will see some copy-cat responses to belligerent bikers disobeying traffic laws by motorists who are fed up with their crap. Who knows....? While I am certainly not advocating or promoting proactive violent actions, I would not be all that surprised if at some point in the not too distant future someone will take it upon themselves to be a vigilante and recreate Max and his Interceptor and start patrolling the roadways searching for these misfit cyclists and...
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