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Old 11-21-2013, 01:11 PM
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When pilots don't know where they land

Listen To A 747 Pilot Realize He Doesn't Know Where The Hell He Landed

When you overshoot an exit ramp, you get back on the freeway in the opposite direction and get back on course. Not exactly the same concept applies when you're flying one of the world's largest cargo planes and land at a small industrial airport with spaghetti-sized runways.
A pilot flying a Boeing 747 Dreamlifter would normally carry 400 passengers, but in this case was carrying parts for the equally large Boeing 787. It was supposed to land at McConnell Airport in Wichita, KS, but ended up landing at Jabrara Airport, a tiny commercial dock that doesn't even have a control tower.
The conversation between the pilot and other traffic controllers is priceless. There's no profanity but you can hear the "oh shit" in everyone's tone.
Pilot: "Uhhh, yes sir, we just landed at the other airport..."
Traffic control: "Are you able to make an approach to make a departure from that airport?"
Pilot: "We're working on those details now."
Those details are tricky, because as KWCH in Wichita notes, the 747 needs a 9,199-ft. runway to take off. The runway at Jabrara is only 6,101 feet.
Adding to this massive clusterfuck: Boeing sent a tug to help turn the 747 around, but the tug ended up breaking down, so Boeing sent another one.
This situation is still ongoing and this plane is still stranded. We'll let you know what happens next.
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Old 11-21-2013, 01:16 PM
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...rport/3661511/


A massive Boeing 747 Dreamlifter cargo plane landed at the wrong airport late Wednesday.
The plane is now scheduled to depart the airport at 1 p.m. ET, according to The City of Wichita's Twitter account. Initially, there had been concern about whether the airport's 6,100-foot runway would be long enough for the Dreamlifter to take off from the airport.
As for the initial incident, the plane was supposed to fly to the McConnell Air Force Base from New York JFK Airport. Instead, it set down instead at Jabara Airport near Wichita in an apparent mistake.
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"A Dreamlifter bound for McConnell Air Force Base in Wichita safely landed this evening at nearby Col. James Jabara Airport instead. We are working to determine next steps and will have additional information in the morning," Boeing said in a statement seen by local media.
It appears as though the pilots confused the airports, according to air traffic control recordings.
Citing audio from LiveATC.net, Wichita's KWCH TV reports the Dreamlifter was given clearance to land at McConnell AFB but instead landed about 9 miles north at Jabara around 9:20 p.m. CT Wednesday evening.
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According to the audio, the Dreamlifter pilots can be heard saying to the McConnell control tower: "Ahh, yes sir, we just landed at the other airport."
The Wall Street Journal adds that even after landing, the recordings "indicate that the crew was still disoriented about its location, believing it had landed at Beech Factory Airport, which is home to Beechcraft Inc.'s facilities. In fact, the jumbo jet had landed at Jabara Airport just to the north.
The City of Wichita's Twitter account said no one was injured and there were no reports of damage to property when the plane landed.
The Dreamlifter was custom-built by Boeing to haul large pieces of its 787 Dreamliner from suppliers to the jetmaker's assembly line locations. Boeing claims the massive Dreamlifter aircraft can haul more cargo by volume than any airplane in the world.
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Boeing cargo jet to take off from Wichita airport's short runway - CNN.com

(CNN) -- A mammoth cargo plane that landed Wednesday night at the wrong airport in Wichita, Kansas -- one that typically does not accommodate such beasts -- will take off at around noon on Thursday using a runway far shorter than it normally requires, an airport official said.
Late Wednesday night, the plane, which was bound for McConnell Air Force Base from New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport, missed its mark by about 12 miles.
Instead of landing at the military airport on Wichita's southeast side, it landed at the much-smaller, general-aviation Col. James Jabara Airport on the northeast side.
Jabara has no control tower and normally doesn't handle jumbo jets.
The Atlas Air 747 Dreamlifter is a modified 747-400 passenger airplane that can haul more cargo by volume than any airplane in the world.
When fully loaded, the Dreamlifter needs a runway 9,199 feet long to take off, reports affiliate KWCH. The Jabara runway is 6,101 feet. The difference -- more than half a mile.
But a spokeswoman for the airport authority, Valerie Wise, cited favorable weather on Thursday and the fact that much of the fuel had been used in the flight from JFK -- which lightened the weight of the plane -- for the conclusion that it was safe to take off on the shorter runway. "The engineers have been running calculations all night," she said.
By mid-morning, a tug had moved the aircraft to where it needed to be and a new crew had arrived to fly the plane from Jabara to McConnell Air Force Base. The takeoff attempt is expected around noon (1 p.m. ET).
The plane, laden with cargo for Boeing, is owned by Boeing and operated by Atlas Air, said Bonnie Rodney, a spokeswoman for Atlas. She said an investigation has begun into how the plane landed at the wrong airport.
A spokeswoman for Boeing did not immediately return a call.
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should've stopped and asked for directions, as the stewardess told them too... Male ego!!!!
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Runway? Pshh... strap some rockets to it and take off Fat Albert style!

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Musta made a wrong turn at Albuquerque.
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So question. Do you think the pilot will get fired over this?
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Someone will be "spending a lot of time with their family"...


A good friend is an air traffic controller. His opinion is that someone will be buying a new runway for Jabara. Jabara is rated 62klbs, McConnell 450,000 lbs. Likely Atlas or their insurer....

If you listen to the complete ATC recording, it is amazing it took so long to figure out where they were.
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I think they were fired right there. One of the reports said a new crew flew out.
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